|03-08-2004 11:28 AM|
OK, so they have a defined lip like a bass. I think of a pike mouth like two flat plates covered in teeth. As long as there's a good sized lip, a circle hook has a place to grab, but there doesn't appear to be much purchase for a circle hook in a pike's mouth.
Should clarify this -- the pike has a lip of course, but the angle on the inside is shallow -- not very upright. If the hook can get back into the scissor then it'll work just fine, but I'm not sure how reliably we can get the hook back there.
|03-08-2004 11:09 AM|
|flyfisha1||I had a hard time finding a good photo of the open mouth on line, so I'll try to decribe their toothy-arrangement: teeth are essentially placed irregularly around the jaws, all "on the lips" from what I can recall. Although they don't have the uniform pattern of teeth that pike seem to have, 'cuda teeth, in my experience, tend to be larger when comparing them to pike of similar length. So the end result is the same: when a large barracuda shakes it's head, you'd better hope that the leader can resist the cutting. Same as pike in that regard.|
|03-08-2004 10:59 AM|
I've never been close enough to a 'cuda to know how their teeth and jaws are arranged. Are they more like a bass lip with significant teeth arranged in a row along the lip, or an array of teeth, both along the lip and on internal plates, like a pike or muskie?
In the NWT, I had a very large pike chomp down on various lures that I threw at her and I was not able to set the hook as she had too firm a grip. Given the way that game progressed, I wouldn't have had a chance with a circle hook. Mind you, this was an extremely large fish and can't be taken as typical.
|03-08-2004 10:39 AM|
|flyfisha1||I've caught mid-sized 'cuda on this hook, so I imagine it would work for pike.|
|03-08-2004 10:37 AM|
|peter-s-c||Yup, I've seen this one too, it's sold locally. Which opens up another question -- would a circle hook streamer work on pike? I can see it working on bass. I left the Mustad off the list as I didn't think it would be a great choice.|
|03-08-2004 10:07 AM|
|flyfisha1||I had forgotten about the Mustad C71S SS, which is the streamer circle hook; I've tied some tarpon flies on this hook. The largest I have is 3/0, though I imagine they're available in larger sizes than that.|
|03-08-2004 09:51 AM|
A quick Google search yielded these saltwater long shanks:
Eagle Claw 066 2X up to 7/0
Orvis Long Shank 28G01002 2X max size unknown
Daiichi X472 3X up to 2/0
My Yak 9 would be perfect for these hooks as it's already tied with a tarpon head -- just have to move it back on the shank.
|03-08-2004 09:09 AM|
Of course, we were fishing for those pickerel back in the pre-fluorocarbon days...
The only long-shank hook that I've found that could be considered a saltwater model is the Tiemco 9394, which I believe only comes in sizes up to 2. A 911S might do the trick, as I believe it's a little longer than standard and comes in larger sizes. I'll try a few today.
|03-08-2004 09:05 AM|
|03-08-2004 08:59 AM|
Last fall, I'm fishing for steelies on the Grand below Wilks dam and I get a solid thunk then nothing. On the next cast, there's no noticeable splash from the fly so I haul up and it's gone. I go to tie in another one on the remaining tippet and the fluoro 10# is literally disintegrating in my hands despite showing no signs of damage. Mr. or Ms. Pike had stopped by for a chomp. I realize 10# is not pike leader material, but I didn't like the way the fluoro fell apart without showing damage. Moral? Scabs when roughed up and knicks cleanly on something sharp -- neither are good
My mono leaders are ripped to shreds after an encounter with a decent fish but they don't fail. I use the cheapest Canadian Tire hard mono or Rio saltwater hard mono.
I make no claims for bluefish.
|03-08-2004 08:33 AM|
The largest pike-family member that I've seen hooked was (no kidding) a chain pickerel that my boy-hood best friend tied into early one day in our favorite lake in South Jersey; this fish was honestly a monster (not just in length, but in girth from what we could see of it) and I think it would have given the world record a serious run for the money. The fish was hooked on a red/white Heddon Torpedo (one my two favorite topwater lures, the other being a red/white Zara Spook); we got the fish next to the boat, and as soon as the net went in to the water the fish took off and cut right through the leader... 40-lb. mono.
Of course, what ensued was a blood-curdling cry of extreme anguish. About thirty-seconds of silence later, what should float up to the surface but the Torpedo; my buddy had crushed the barbs on the trebles, and the fish had managed to disoldge the lure. I can't recall the number of times that that lure had been temporarily lost, only to float back to the surface a few moments later. At any rate, the piece of leader still tied to the Torpedo had been cut clean-through. We tried in vain for that fish for another 30-minutes, then moved a couple of hundred yards down the bank and he hooked another monster pickerel on the same "magic" lure; this one was landed and mounted at just over 38"... much smaller than the first one he hooked!
While we're all on the subject, what are everyone's thoughts on tying patterns on long hooks with everything concentrated over the bend? This is common in many flies for 'cuda and bluefish, and I've seen it done with pike patterns from time to time. Just wondering what the experiences have been.
|03-08-2004 08:04 AM|
Sure, you guys get them okay on 20 and 25 pound mono and I have them bite through 30 pound fluoro like it's nothing.....maybe the pike I'm fishing over have really crooked teeth and need braces.
I'll be giving the heavier fluoro a thorough workout very soon.
|03-07-2004 08:20 PM|
|peter-s-c||It was on my first trip to Byng. I'm not sure how big the fish was, probably in the 12 to 15 pound range. It hung over the edges of the 36" cradle so it was close to the 40" range. This one did a lot of slashing back and forth with his head and I was sure the mono would let go, but it didn't. It was a mess though. I used 20# and 25# on our last trip.|
|03-07-2004 08:07 PM|
|03-07-2004 06:10 PM|
I've used 40 lb mono; but gave up on it rather quickly because, as FrenchCreek already mentioned, it needs to be replaced anytime you hook a fish of 15lb or so. Nylon coated wired of 20lb became my choice because it is very easy to tie flies too though a simple figure-8 knot, and if you put a small loop on the end of the 12 or 15lb tippet, it is very easy to tie to the mono leader. My leaders were virtual mirrors of FrenchCreek's regarding formula as well.
I found using swivel clips added too much weight for nice casting. Tying a figure-8 in the wire is quick, easy, and strong. The 6" to 10" of wire you need for the shock tippet adds very little weight is you don't use clips or swivels.
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