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02-16-2004 09:52 AM
Willie Gunn Economic Survey of Fishing

In 2003 the Spey Catchment Management Plan commissioned an economic survey of the value of rod fishing and other water sports in the Spey valley. Preliminary results show that anglers spent 11.8 Million in Strathspey, supporting 367 jobs. By comparison canoeing and sailing generated 1.7 Million and 48 jobs. Copies of the final report will be available from the SFB Research Office.

Cut and pasted from the Spey board website
02-16-2004 09:42 AM
actinsley Well, I just checked there too & it may be 11.8M rather than 12M but it's certainly not 50M, & 11.8M & 367 jobs were the figures reported to the Board Meeting on February 3rd. About 50 of the jobs are ghillies.
02-16-2004 09:01 AM
mickgbell Anthony. The figures I am quoting are taken from the Spey Fishery Board Website. Go to the Homepage and look under "fishery".
02-16-2004 08:15 AM
actinsley mickgbell, you're misquoting the economic values for the Spey fishery - it's 12M/yr & 367 jobs. For Scotland as a whole in the order of 100M, as much as golf.
I don't think the ghillies would be very pleased if they had to work on Sundays!

Anthony Tinsley
Spey Fishery Board Member
02-16-2004 06:47 AM
G Ritchie
Re: More Illusioned

Originally posted by mickgbell
Graham. Are you saying that economics has no place in river management ? At the moment we are on a slippery slope if we conclude that the fewer the fishermen the greater the benefit ?!
As I said in my post the revenue from the fishing is very important to the local economy but the well being of the river must come first. Sure, in the short term you can raise more revenue by increasing rod numbers or allowing fishing on a Sunday, but would this not increase pressure on fish stocks which are at an all time low. You have to look at things in the long term and not put profits first if you want to build up the fish stocks to their previous levels.
02-16-2004 06:32 AM
Now, in the 'States we would have figured that out.....

And I am sure the Scots know how to do that, too! Just raise the prices and wages by 1/7th (or more), then the "losses" for Sundays are made up for! And, besides, even the Creator took a day of rest!

I am sure Malcolm, A.K.A. Willie Gunn, had he been consulted, would have surely given this advice for a modest fee...... :hehe:

Hey, Malcolm, I haven't had a chance to offer my thanks for the advice on the Tartans - My wife and daughters now proudly wear the Tartan scarves of their ancestors.

02-16-2004 06:26 AM
More Illusioned

Graham. Are you saying that economics has no place in river management ? At the moment we are on a slippery slope if we conclude that the fewer the fishermen the greater the benefit ?!
02-16-2004 05:39 AM
G Ritchie Malcolm is quite right you could loose 7 (or more) rods on Wester Elchies. The Sunday closure is another conservation aid which further reduces fishing effort. You have to balance fishing effort against the available resource, the money the fishing brings to the local economy is important, but should not be considered the most important factor. The wellbeing of the river is the most important factor.
02-16-2004 05:16 AM
Economy V Conservation

WillieGunn. Presumably the fact that there is no Sunday fishing in Scotland is an additional benefit to conservation. The interesting question as far as I am concerned is this : Just taking the Spey as an example, the fishery board have stated that the benefit to the local economy is "some 50m and 50 full time jobs per annum" How much do you think these figures would increase if Sunday fishing was allowed ?
02-16-2004 04:35 AM
Willie Gunn The Spey Fishery Board has decided to maintain the Salmon Conservation Policy introduced in 2003 for the 2004 season.

The policy encompasses three key elements,


Where possible the numbers of hours and rods fished should be limited.

Wester Elerchies reduced the pressure on the water and the fish by reducing the number of rods that fish the beat from 7 to 6. Then the time element was reduced to 12 hours /day. As you are aware, it is difficult to find 12 hours of day light in these short February days.

I sure Graham will back me up in saying that you could easily loose 7 anglers in any of the Wester Elerchies pools.
02-16-2004 04:05 AM
Longer lunch hours

Willie. In line with the Spey Fishery Board's 2004 rule three policy " Where possible the number of hours and rods fished should be limited " Purely in the interest of conservation can I suggest you enjoy at least a three hour lunch in future !
02-15-2004 05:10 PM
Adrian Wonderful reports - brings back very fond memories of the old country!
02-15-2004 04:56 PM

hello, Mr. Gunn

That interlude in a Grantown-on-Spey Bed & Breakfast occurred in 1973. I lived in London at the time. I spent several hours one day going through a pamphlet I'd picked up at Farlow's on how to go about fishing salmon in Scotland. I was completely dismayed at the costs involved, especially for beats on the Tweed and the Tay, the rivers I'd hoped to fish. I finally drew the conclusion that I'd never be able to afford a Scottish salmon experience.

But then I stumbled on a river called the Spey. In fine print, I learned that one could fish the "town water" on the Spey for 2 quid a day, providing that the angler "stayed at a Bed & Breakfast in Grantown-on-Spey". What a smashing deal! And that's how I came to meet Angus Maclellan.

He was quite a character. I'd only just met him and five minutes later, after proclaiming me a "keen fisher indeed", he insisted that I accompany him in his Mini. With sublime patience he drove me up and down the river, stopping at all his favorite spots, relating to me in absolute impeccable detail the where, the how, the when and the what of salmon fishing on the Spey.

I absolutely had to catch a salmon after all that tutelage!

The evenings were marvelous. Angus had several wooden crates he brought out after dinner. Each was the size of a large laundry basket, absolutely packed to the brim with Brass Faced and Alloy Perfects, Dingleys and old Farlow's. Each was packed in a blue velvet bag. He removed them from these bags like rare jewels and handed them to me as if they were the Faberge eggs.

I think it was then that my perverse fascination with these reels began, although at the time I couldn't imagine using such monstrously large pieces of equipment for my fishing.

And of course it was Angus that taught me the meaning of Payment in Kind, although it seems to be a sad lesson of life that now that I know what the term means, I've never been in a position to consider such an offer again...
02-15-2004 03:35 PM
Willie Gunn
Originally posted by Gardener
Tweed seems to have been doing quite well too. 13 fish so far this week off the Junction, according to Fishtweed, in quite high water conditions. Any word from further north (eg Brora/Helmsdale)?
From Eddie McCarthy on the Thurso,

Wake up everbody!! Wake up. The Thurso produced it`s first fish of the year from beat thirteen on Valentines day. It was caught by Steelie (lover boy) Smith and weighed just under nine pounds. In truth, the river has only been fishable for a handful of days since opening day because of very high water. The forecast for the next few days is quite reasonable so, if we can get the rods on the water,we might well have a few more.
Before I forget-----Steelie told me that the fish was seduced by his three inch Willie-----Gunn

02-13-2004 02:05 PM
Willie Gunn Marketic, Nice story, how long ago did it all happen, when I first fished at Grantown a season ticket cost 2/6 or about an eighth of a pound.

The Spey has gone across to "Tweed Rules" the first fish goes back but you can keep the second, so you would have to work twice as hard for your smoked salmon. Unfortuately hygiene rules and "traceability" means the smokehouse no longer takes anglers fish. Has the world gone mad or is it me ??????????
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