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08-23-2002 08:59 AM
BigDave I've been tying on freshwater hooks too. They are cheap and strong enough for a round or 2 with the big boys on the flats.

You can also tie crazy-charlie style shrimp impressions which hide the hook. Not as realistic as the Popvics patterns but IMHO sometimes the general impression amd movement are more important than exact replication. I agree with Caolo on this point for Stripers, Bass, Trout and just about everything else that swims.

My .02
08-23-2002 08:57 AM
striblue Todd... yes I thought of that also... by the way I do have some of Alan Caolo's fly's... My plan is to try the shrimp...them bizzare flys ,like Borski slidders, then I will have some colorful tarpon fly's and the Lobster fly... I even have the fleeing crab that Alan ties... Also I tied up one of Rich Murphy's foam blue crabs that is to be stripped not my plan is to throw flys they have not seen (except for the shrimp) and do so on very thin tippets.... I know Juro says the fly is not the first issue..but I know atleast myself, have made every presentation I know and retreve... so I remember peter Alves when he tried a tarpon fly. I also know I have had success two years ago, (last year I did not fish North that much because south beach was incredible), at North. I also think the fish are more selective now than they were in the spring when people were sight fishing and hooking up.
08-23-2002 08:51 AM
juro Hi Sprocket -

I've tied shrimp on bronze freshwater hooks and they are stealthier but as you might expect they are hard to keep from rotting out. Since they only take a couple of minutes to tie the way I tie them it's no big deal, but that's a consideration.
08-23-2002 08:40 AM
Sprocket Quentin's comment about the hook stick out like a bum thumb got me thinking...dangerous, I know, anyway.

my question is this:
Has anyone tried tying the pattern on a salmon type (black) hook to help camoflage it?

Also - I got to look at the flies in Alan Caolo's bag o' tricks. The patterns he fishes aren't the exact imatation type but more like wooleybugger style approximations. One fly could be a crab shrimp or other misc. bait. FWIW...

Good luck out there and please post results for the jealous/envious.
08-22-2002 07:06 PM
striblue Jay..nice to hear from you... I hope your not spending all your time with all the celebrities on Nantucket... How is Cross Rip Outfitters this year..nice fly shop...But Barry Thurston's shop does not have alot of fly stuff... Have you been fishing alot this year? The gatside shrimp is also one that he has in Dick Brown's book on Bonefish flys... I will add it to my tieing list.. see you soon.
08-22-2002 03:43 PM
Broadbill John -

I've never fished your stretchs of SB/Monomoy, but this time of year and a little later, I've had sporadic luck up in Nantucket harbor with a shrimp fly I shamelessly cribbed from Jack Gartside.

Unlike the Popovics--a true imitation, the Gartside shrimp is an attractor pattern. Estaz, marabou, and a bit of flash. It undulates more in the water. Easy as hell to tie.

I don't have a digicam, but here's a link to the pattern on his site. <>

I tie this in a lighter tan than he does--on 4 and 6 hooks. At one of the winter shows, I even saw him tie it in chartreuse--which I haven't had the courage to try.

One more piece of the puzzle. Bon chance.

08-22-2002 03:37 PM
juro Secret fly is not a tarpon fly... you'll see. Also re-created another, based on a fly that fell apart on me one year and I caught a bunch of finicky fish after it broke. Purely deep-season stuff, although there isn't too much of the dog days left in 2002...
08-22-2002 02:53 PM
striblue Oh Juro!...your taking the fun out of the thread. You are correct about the crab patterns ... They are the only fly that worked for me two years ago and not often...but the fish were takers at that time.... the fly may be the least but I wonder what Yor secret fly will produce don't hold back on me.... I will have to take out that tarpon fly too.
08-22-2002 02:44 PM
juro Very amusing thread!

The problem with shrimp is that stripers do not feed on them explicitly - they graze them where they are available in concentrations. Even though 40" bass feed actively on shrimp, they are not singling out a shrimp and chasing it. That's why you don't "see" them eating them even when they are. You can assume when they are grubbing close to the bottom in a current where there are lots of shrimp they are indeed grazing on shrimp.

I've always had much better luck in the greater scheme of things using something that will wake them up out of their shrimp funk, even if it means having dozens of non-takers through the day. If the overall results are several takers, huge sight fished bass, then the net results are just fine by me.

I've noticed that several years ago when few were fishing crabs their effectiveness was far better out on the flats than they are today. Until the last couple of years, the flats style deep eel got few rejections, but then again I may have been the only one out there using it. Aside from the migrating visitors these fish are in large part the same fish returning to the area each year, they've seen it all. I am convinced they become accustomed to seeing certain things and learn to avoid them. Keep in mind a cow bass is 12, 14 or more years old. Yet the fly is not everything... of the four critical factors for success on the flats, the fly is the least important item.
08-22-2002 02:31 PM
jared John --

anybody who would ACTUALLY practice for a blind-bugger contest is LAME.....

that would take ALL the fun out of it!!

please don't practice....just DO IT.

08-22-2002 02:17 PM
striblue Jared...I will join that contest next year... I will be prepared with practice and win.
08-22-2002 02:12 PM
jared stressful....stressful?!??! this from the guy who refused to join in the blind bugger contest?? far the mighty have fallen....

08-22-2002 01:23 PM
Nick Too funny. I may have to tailor a few more contestants this evening. Maybe we can even have one of Juro's Drag Deep Eel's in the contest. :hehe:

08-22-2002 01:22 PM
striblue Yes and Burt Parks will be there as emcee for the bueaty contest. I hope mine does well in the talent portion of the contest...this is so stressful!!!!
08-22-2002 01:17 PM
Nick I'm in for this one. I tied up one out of some puglisi hair. We'll see how it works. What times the dance? 8am?

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