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05-08-2002 09:14 PM
Moonlight I just returned from a ten day trip to the "North Country" and managed to wade through the (completion) of this thread, good work. I thought it was headed in the direction it took when I left.
The great Drought of "02" has the entire State of Alaska in its grip and there are many casultys with more to come if rain and serious rain doesn't return soon. Word of weather travels slow in the North!
Most Spring time fishing revolves around fresh river flows and not snow runoff. The fry are having a seriously hard time getting out of the dry river beds and starting there return to the sea. While not a total disaster it will be a noticeable bump down in fish numbers.
In the relationship with this thread, the few fellows I was fishing with who are all old hands at Steelheading and Alaska in general we all agreed that we didn't want to "Harrass" what few steelheads were struggling to get by on most of the too low rivers.
Like I said in a few earlier post sport is all about a balance of Tradition Ethics and Restraint. We chose to not bother fish in these conditions a long time ago so I guess that makes it a tradition. I'm certain that it was ethical and obviously we restrained from bothering the fish except for stream walks and resident trout fishing. I would hope that Haig Brown would have approved (actually I know he would have )
There was one or two systems that had sufficent water for fishing but we found that even on these systems the runs were below the ten year average and certainly well below the last few years.
Hard to be negative about anything as beautiful as those Big Spruce Bottoms with blue skys and warm sunshine. Did seem strange though looking at Muskeg in May that was still as brown and dead looking as February.
The bird migration was in full swing and of course the five Planet line up was a nightly show at dusk. I don't think I have ever been on a week plus spring steelhead trip in the North and got skunked on steelheads but thats what took place in the "drought of 02".
05-06-2002 10:16 PM
FrenchCreek A wee dram of Holy Peat Water it is!
Thank's to all who openly shared their passion!
Hope to fish with you sometime...
05-05-2002 04:57 PM
watersprite WOW!

I've been staring at this one for some time and for one who has no problem speaking his mind I am at a loss as to a response.

...but I'll try.

OC, it would be an honor and a pleasure to fish with you and Sinktip. I would enjoy, equally, an opportunity to sit and talk awhile with the two of you.

I am not one to kiss anyone's butt and when praise or words of endearment crosses my lips it has been earned many times over. With that said... I hold Sinktip in high regard for his levelheadedness and work with WSC and would use this organization under his leadership as a model for any group desiring to effect a positive change in the status quo. As for you, Sir, I was won over early by your sincerity and I feel a strong kinship of spirit. To me this is far more important than any fishing trip. I look forward to our (may I be so bold) strengthening friendship.

Sincerely,
Steven Russell

P.S. My son (14 years old) says I'm kissing butt. I don't know what's more troubling, his impression or the possiblility that others will see it the same way. In any case, I'm going to press the submit button. I feel I spoke true.
05-05-2002 02:27 PM
OC Watersprite
Don't worry about sinktip he will sleep easier now. You know how these republicans from Idaho can be. He has also been the hardest working man on the planet when it comes to saving steelhead in the last year or so. Sinktip and me have decided to take you on a float trip with us some time in the next year if you want to go. But boy if you go you better be ready for anything your gonna have to cast from your left and right both to keep up with us.
Have a good May
OC
05-04-2002 08:43 PM
watersprite Sinktip,

I enjoyed your prose yet believe any wake is a bit premature. This one is far from being dead...

To All,

Notwithstanding the above, I believe that it is time to put this thread to bed. Hopefully a new dawn, in a new location, will bring a fresh atmosphere and new clarity of purpose.

Thank you all for your participation and input. Hopefully our conversation will soon bear fruit.

S.Russell
05-04-2002 06:38 PM
fredaevans
"ST," that being the case ...

I'd stongly recommend the Balvenie Doublewoods or the Macallan 18 year olds. Mothers Milk.

Think I'll have one now with a single 'cube' to dampen it just a bit. Given Joan's in Calif., maybe a small Cuban to go with it. (It's good to have a wife who spends as much time in Europe as she does - box comes back with every trip.)

Another guy who REALLY knows his smokes if Jere E; Damn! those cigars he brough me for the SCCC are good. Even popped for a proper humidor.
fe
05-04-2002 06:07 PM
sinktip An interesting thread for sure and perhaps worthy of its own forum. May it be born again there and flourish. In the mean time, I will celebrate its passing from the Pacific Northwest Steelhead list with a toast of single malt.

I will save my ridicule not for intolerance of ideas or those who perceive such but for those poor souls that fail to understand the delicacy of peat nor the character the sea breezes of Islay impart to the amber nectar.

Any and all welcome to join in the wake.

Respectfully yours,
sinktip
05-04-2002 05:46 PM
kush
Time for bed.

OC, Watersprite, et al - thanks as well. To be continued - I'm sure.
05-04-2002 02:12 PM
OC Pathos, Ah yes an ancient word, before Latin.
Hey anyone ever think about what ever hapened to the Haig- Browns in our sport?
Yes it is time to put this to rest for awhile. I'm glad so many of the good folks on Juros site came over to read it and many have participated. Hopefully by the time juro gets up a section for these discussions many will have had time to think more about the health of the sport they love and for those who think the sport is healthy some insight into, well we will see.
Time to mow the lawn but may need to rent a wheat conbiner to do it.
Thanks
OC
05-04-2002 09:52 AM
fredaevans
Ok, second vote. I'm with Kush ..

on the name for one of the new sites. Even thou. my input into this thread has been 'feather weight,' at best, this has been one of the most interesting to follow, todate.

Bravo Gentlemen!!!!!!!
05-04-2002 03:10 AM
watersprite
Re: re new folders for the forum...

Quote:
Originally posted by kush
If this thread goes on any longer maybe we should rename it "Flyfishing Pathos".
Sorry for being so blunt but, is someone feeling so threatened that they need to ridicule? Please, save the pity for those oppressed souls living without any freedom of expression. IMHO, only those whose personal and/or commercial interests, supported by the status quo to the detriment of others, would object to such debate.

It always seems to come down to ethics...

S.Russell
05-04-2002 12:45 AM
kush
re new folders for the forum...

If this thread goes on any longer maybe we should rename it "Flyfishing Pathos".
05-03-2002 11:24 PM
OC FrenchCreek,
The type of corparate land deals you talk about are for now the best we can do. At least the Paul Alans, Ted Turners and others are keeping the land from being subdivided into 5 acre plots. The Madison river has been divided into thousands of these little/big log homes where the owner has exercised his right to keep as many off the river as possible. Many times I can understand why a working ranch is forced to shut down acsess to thier property, but for folks to own 5 acres where no one should live in the first place and to fence off thier land for the sole purpose of discouraging people a way to the river, now that's a tough one for me. There are places now on the Madison River where one can drive at night for miles and see nothing but the house lights of people living the new fly fishing dream.
All have a good weekend
OC
05-03-2002 06:33 PM
FrenchCreek " Do you fish the Bow? If so What are you seeing up there? I've heard that they are facing some of the same problems that our Rocky Mountain Rivers are.
OC"

Yes, it seems that the same issues faced on the Montana and other rivers are slowly creeping northwards. Private and/or corporate river bank property ownership that inevatibly affects river access has been an issue. One outfit from Montana has been active on the Elk and less so on the Bow. There was a great debate on another board about this subject a few years ago. I called the "owner" of the Montana outfit and he assured me that any time I wanted access via land that his company owns, it would be granted. I tested this and was given access. His claim was (still is I presume) that private/corporate ownership was as much about "protecting" the resource form unemcumbered access and all the left over garbage, camping residues, riparian destruction etc. that comes with unrestricted access. The other side of the debate was about the "right to access" without constraint.
My view has been much more about the "responsibility of access" and the "obligation to sustain and enhance" our resources.
Ryan has another post going about the development of streamside property. Worth a look.
Maybe we could/should continue this topic when Juro sets up the new topic sections on the board. The issues of access, streamside preservation, private Vs. public lands will surely activate some responses.....
05-03-2002 03:44 PM
OC Hey Fred,
And hopefully from all over the world.
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