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12-03-2009 09:31 AM
juro I didn't read all of this because I am in denial of the arrival of winter.

But... my opinion (you know the saying) is I might like to try something like this once - BUT not tell anyone about it unless they see me and ask WTF? Exhilarating challenges help a guy feel a sense of primitive victory and make some of us feel more alive. HOWEVER I would not do it for press exposure or the admiration of bloggers; or if I was the support system for small children, etc.

Kinda what Adrian said

Because I did not read the thread fully I have no idea who I opposed or supported nor is it important, just another post in a stream of flyfishing consciousness (or semi-consciousness in my case)
12-03-2009 08:51 AM
Adrian I have to be careful what I say here - hence my late response

Anyways, there comes a point where the battle between man and beast takes on a new dimension. I must admit the thought of a tussle with a BFT from the yak had crossed my mind a couple of times in the past.

There was a post recently of a guy tackling tarpon on fly whilst snorkelling. It was a hilarious and entertaining video and the fish eventually threw the hook. But there is serious side ...
12-02-2009 12:21 PM
LeeG john,
I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one that had that reaction to the article.

Lee
11-30-2009 11:47 AM
striblue "Not really concerned with how he goes about it"



Expand your thinking if you can......It seems as though a point is missed here... My point is really this and it has nothing to do with fish quotas.... I can "piss and moan" about the fact that this jackass has the potential of putting other people in harms way attempting to rescue him..not some commercial guy doing it for a living or even some recreational guy with a safer method..like a boat. and I certainly feel that I put it in the catagory of Intentional "irresponsible" fishing . It didn't sound at all like I was going to give up on Blue fin fishing although I admit I like striper fishing better. Is this clearer? But I suppose for a single 45 year old, who still lives at his Mommy and Daddy's summer home , such manly ventures might increase his ability to get laid. I am speaking about Our "hero". One other point... the 14 other fish were towing for a while..I suspect, not having done it this way that with the right drag set it can tow you forever.....screw it up after an hour or so and it might then break off..so I can't see the comparison with the 14 wt at all......... unless you raise it just to be argumentative. If you think about it ...if he had a large Penn Reel and short Tuna stick...the tuna would still TOW him around...so it is not really about light tackle is it? I really can not say anymore about it...If you think it's ok...then fine. You are entitled to your opinion and your comparisons.. Politely calling me a hypocrite ("a little hypocritical") with such misguided comparisons seems intentional..over and out.
11-30-2009 11:00 AM
Dble Haul
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Originally Posted by sean

Sure he may have an ego and is doing something way dangerous. Nature usually has a way with dealing with that.

-sean
Well said.
11-30-2009 09:59 AM
sean So John sounds like you are giving up fishing for bluefin. Do not want to hurt the poor fishes. If you feel that strongly about it seems a little hypocritical to fish for them at all, especially with an intent to release. Most of those 14 were probably on for minutes and over a long period of time. A couple years I am told. A decent charter captain will hook that many in a day.

See no difference with this than guys using light spinning tackle or 14wts for big bluefin. End result about the same and we all make our own choices.

-sean
11-30-2009 09:38 AM
striblue Really?.... Like the 14 blue fin he hooked....had them tow him around.... before he caught the celebrity fish..... they eventually broke off with hook , line and lure still in their mouths..... probably spinning slowly down to the bottom. And the charter captian who had to help him with one fish...took the rod... and broke it and then towed him back 14 miles to the shore. That's the real storyabout his ONE fish...get the facts first.
11-30-2009 08:36 AM
sean Really? I am sure there are much larger things out there to piss and moan about. The guy caught 1 fish, kept it and was done. Not like he is a charter catching a dozen or so, fighting them all for an hour or more and then maybe keeping one of them. His impact in a year is a total of maybe 2-3 fish. Whatever you think of him, the method he is using an extremely low impact method to catch fish. Finding bluefin to catch is hard enough in a power boat much less in a kayak.

Whatever the plight of the tuna is it is legal to keep em. I would much rather see a guy go out and take his one fish and hang em up for the day. Not really concerned about how he goes about it. I am quite convinced many tuna die from catch and release, much higher than with striped bass.

You see others catch a bunch in a day when the odds are at least 10% a released fish is going to die. I am sure most of the charters out there have killed many more tuna via release in a season than this guy will kill in a lifetime.

Sure he may have an ego and is doing something way dangerous. Nature usually has a way with dealing with that.

-sean
11-29-2009 03:19 PM
Dble Haul This guy has set a dangerous precedent for imitators who are not as safety conscious as he is.

And yes, I too believe that he has a massive ego and is using this attention to stroke it.
11-28-2009 10:07 AM
FLGator Excellent points John.
11-27-2009 11:56 PM
striblue I personally don"t think it has to do with ignorance at all... It is afterall, at first blush, an extreme activity which Human nature will rally too....so I certainly understand your reaction... some on other forums have said that it is similar to the "Wright Bros" and from someone I know well for years... which was a surprise to me.....Nevertheless...one point worth mentioning is that this is not, looking at the laws of physics, the hard way to catch Tuna...in fact it is probably the easiest (not the yak off 20 miles ) way to do so... I will not restate the obvious...but trying to bring a 160 pound Tuna from the gunnal of a boat as quickly as you can, using your power to pull (with help from the boat as well) is far harder than letting it pull you for hours until it died.
11-27-2009 08:42 PM
FLGator I admit my ignorance regarding my original perspective on this topic especially after discovering the plight of the Giant Bluefin Tuna ((scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=bluefin-tuna-stocks-threatened-cites-japan-monaco) and (npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94299340) thanks to Bob Triggs!).

I certainly can admire the extreme aspect of the quest, but after a short retrospective it appears self serving to say the least.
11-25-2009 07:57 AM
striblue ................also, the next story will be about how the Coast Guard guys will risk their lives to have to save him and there will be no stories about them individually who had to waste time and money to rescue this clown. But the stories of OUR hero will be big stuff in the posh Manhattan Bars as he relates his spin tingling experience to all the other suits (and reporters) sipping dry martinis....shaken not stirred........Next stop... David Letterman show
11-24-2009 05:22 PM
Smcdermott
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Originally Posted by vtloon
I'm just waiting for the "muy cajones" guys to figure out that a real man should chase Makos and Whites from kayaks.

Drag a dead tuna tied to a kayak back to shore often enough in those waters and you probably will end up with a white or mako on the line.
11-24-2009 01:46 PM
vtloon I'm just waiting for the "muy cajones" guys to figure out that a real man should chase Makos and Whites from kayaks.
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