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08-31-2000 07:35 PM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

It's funny how "deep thoughts" always come up during funny fish season...

I am guilty of being a sporadic poster on this board, but it is far from deliberate. I have been working way too much, I have missed every clave (I knew it was a bad omen when i had to bail on the Bass River season opener at the last minute), and I have been fishing mostly around Boston, which has pretty much not been worth posting about for most of June and July. It's tough to go into epic detail about a couple of schoolies off of deer island when you guys are burning drags off the south end of Monomoy.

So it's not always a matter of give and take, 'cause all I've been taking lately is that I have been missing some really good fishing on the Cape while i have been stuck up here... although I understand your point completely. Look at R-T, 100 reads on a message and one reply. There is no exchange.

I AM little guarded about being overly specific on locations, because i recall several spots went down to tubes curtesy of R-T, and this was several years ago before it as a site went down the tubes as well.

So you give when you can in whatever manner you can--sometimes it's where the fish are, sometimes it's a good fly recepie or a knot or a product review. I'm happy to post the haba reports, although with no tunoids up here they won't get too much attention. For a "small" fishing community, there is still a ton of water out there--I fish every weekend and have yet to even meet half of you on the water...which i guess leads me to another thought-- a lot of people who post regularly here all know each other, which doesn't always make it easy for fresh faces to chime in...

This is a great site, and it's not going away any time soon, so don't be concerned about the lack of posts. I wish i had more to post---maybe after this weekend:

I go to join the tunoid madness this saturday, albiet as far from the maddening crowd as possible, in an 18' parker w/ black bottom, give a wave if you see me sliding by...

08-31-2000 05:57 PM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

Nat, you beat me to the punch - I was thinking about posting a similar idea re: lurkers & lack of contribution.

For those that lurk, I think on this board especially, any and all questions or comments are welcome and addressed in the most diplomatic manner.

I met Juro last year (it seems like YEARS ago), on Monomoy, on a RT clave and didn't know he was a guide. I was impressed by his knowledge and willingness to share information & teach. A trait I greatly admire which I first encountered with my friend who got me into wingshooting years & years ago.

Now that I have a little knowledge of how & where to fly fish the salt, I try to emulate those that have helped me and share my cursory knowledge with those who can use it or express an interest.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we are the stewards of the future of this beautiful sport and the survival of our game. It is up to us to help others appreciate it in the most non-invasive manner possible.

08-31-2000 03:38 PM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

I agree w/Terry. Juro puts a great deal of time and effort into this thing. He answers posts personally whenever he can and doesn't ask for much back. I only post when I think I can add something constructive but would love to contribute more. If only I could find the time to fish.
08-31-2000 02:37 PM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

I would as well, Jeff Roop brought the same subject matter up at my place where we gathered after the Friday Rip trip. I am sure we could muster that kind of support.
08-31-2000 02:32 PM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

I have to add, since I see no advertising on this board, I assume there is no revenue. If that's the case (please correct me if I'm wrong) this thing has to eventually get payed for by other means (someones pocket). There's probably a way to get sponsorship, but if it comes down to keeping this thing going, let me be the first to say I would gladly pitch in a few bucks if the hat were passed in some way. This board is much more than just another fishing website to me.

08-31-2000 01:43 PM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

You did not make me feel bad and I agree with you absolutly on those two points. Juro has done the job and does need the type of support you stated. Thanks.
08-31-2000 11:24 AM
Nathan Smith
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

Man, I didn't mean to make everyone feel bad. I just want to vent about a few issues. That post was about three things

1. 99% of people are great. You don't always need to post. I was calling out the 1% that use this and other boards to get information but are never willing to share their knowledge. Particulary some guides that seem to show up with parties right after we have a successful clave, yet are never willing to share there knowledge. I am not expection them to share all the specifics but they should throw some bones.

2. I just wanted to see more posts on the board in general. Juro's put alot of work into this site and the best way to give back is by posting.
08-31-2000 10:14 AM
steve moore
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

I'll chime in here too. I have to admit that I don't check this site as regularly as I should given the amount of talent that seems to hang out here. Josko's comment about guides posting only for free commercials is one of the reasons I don't post too often on where I'm finding fish. I don't want to be known for that, and I also don't want to be lumped in with the others who do. If I feel I can contribute constructively to something, I usually will. I have however found that I am biting my tongue a lot more this season than in years past, and I can't really give an explaination for why. Maybe I am enjoying just sitting back and watching the action. I don't log on to any of the sites with the expectaion that I will see a post and run out and successfully fish the areas mentioned. I think if you rely on posts to figure out your next move, you'll be sorely disappointed. I look at these bulletin boards as a general guide when it comes to fishing spots or action. We all know that just because someone caught X-number of bass in location Z on night Y with the tide at stage P and using lure K with retreive D, that doesn't mean much 24 or even 3 hours later. What it can tell you is that maybe the fish have begun to move to certain geographical areas (like The Harbor) or that a change of technique is needed. If you need a good solvent to remove glue from your deck, which knots folks like to use, or want to know where others have found a particular product, I think the information on these bulletin boards can be very useful. Sometimes it's just plain fun to tell other about a wonderful day on the water with lots of big fish, but I just haven't found it be as personally satisfying lately to spill my guts. I hope that I haven't offended anyone (another reason I don't post very often) and that everyone knows my
e-mailbox is always open.
08-31-2000 09:32 AM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

Great thread Nathan! I posted some other thoughts under a different heading.

On the hits without the posts... I am one of those people who tends to visit this and other sites regularly. I rarely post. One reason for my 'lurking' is that I have been so damn busy this summer I have not done a lot of fishing. So, on that front I rarely can contribute. Also, it does take time to write a meaningful post, and I'm not one for posting just for posting's sake. To a certain extent I am doing my 'fishing' this year via the posted reports, which is a pisser. Earlier this year I got a login name and password for this and other sites, with the full intention of contributing, but it hasn't happened. Maybe next year.

I know that Juro has some great and grand ideas for this site, and in time most will probably bear fruit. Considering some of the crap that permeates some other sites (e.g.,6 posts in a row saying 'cool' or 'awesome' but nothing else, and even personal attacks), I like this site because the crap is minimal. That is a quality that will contribute to the site's longevity. Remember, this is a relatively new site, so will mature in time.

08-31-2000 09:01 AM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

I think in the end it's how we decide to conduct ourselves that counts, and also how we look at the great sport of flyfishing. We're probably never going to change the butthead mentality through brute force, but we can by attrition. It's kind of like driving - it only takes one ####### to ruin the whole 4-way intersection. If everyone shows consideration, the concept of four diametrically opposed stop signs works just fine. If we work to create and preserve a great community of sportsmen who respect each other, the environment and the gamefish - it's contagious! I think our conclaves prove that to be true.

Wow, it's been a great season and I really look forward to the part that follows the current August slump! Can you imagine the fishing's going to get much, much BETTER???
08-31-2000 08:24 AM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

I am not sure if I understand this message and it appears to be a few issues within one message. But I recognized the fact that I mentioned "spots" at the lighthouse. My sole purpose in doing so was to share it with the people I have met in person thought this board. I met Juro years ago at the Lighthouse in Chatham and did not even know about the board until Keith Lincoln said I counld connect with Juro about the South Monomoy trips. I was never tremendously concerned about the general public reading those messages since you really needed to know where to go at the light house plus the fact that even if you are in the spots you have to know how to fish them anyway and they do change from day to day. It was just that there were a few places ,as there always have been at the lighthouse which seem to produce more fish in a given year. So... one of the crew from this board I knew came down and met me and we were in the "spot" and nothing please me more than seeing him hook and land his first keeper after losing one a few minutes earlier. Incidently ,there was never a hugh group of people who showed up after the posts. My only point is that My purpose is to share information with those I have met personally though the board and could care less if someone else decides to show up at these spots ,which I do agree, usually tend to be overrated and are constantly changing. Just my two cents worth. I think it is a great group of true flyfisherman and if bait fisherman shows up so what. One final thing, Thoughout my fishing life, I have caught and released more and bigger fish on a flyrod than I ever have on any other method. We all know that.
08-30-2000 04:07 PM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

Hey Josko,

I'm sorry your feeling bad about last year. Neither Mike or I have got a clue what you are talking about. We are pretty easy going guys believing that's the best way to get the most enjoyment out of life. So whatever it was don't give it another moment's thought.

My brother and I (especially my brother) have been dreaming about getting a "big" boat and looking for big tunoids. Until the business takes off that's just going to have to wait though. We would be honored to scrub the boat, untangle lines, bring beverages and food, or whatever just for the oportunity to watch and see it done first hand. So if you ever need a couple of hard working deck hands eager to learn drop us a line because we are your guys.
08-30-2000 03:30 PM
Nathan Smith
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

Good points. I wrote that post about a particular group that has actually made arangment to "take over" a spot that memebers on the board discovered or rediscovered. Yes it is frustrating to see al those people. I would just like to see us working together more often, and being more respectful to each other.
08-30-2000 03:15 PM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

That's really too bad about the upper cape... your area is such a unique zone nestled in the warm side of the transition between the north atlantic and the temperate mid-atlantic, buffered by Nantucket Sound and then made into a summer species mixing pot by the Vineyard, Elizabeths and Buzzards Bay. I've even seen puffers at Falmouth, and all kinds of subtropical looking fish and fauna at Woods Hole. Your home waters are clearly the tunoid zone extraordinaire which is probably why the boat operators are so damn ridiculous this time of year.

I've been reading about Terry Nugent's adventures with MikeZ at Lackeys and wondering if the Boneclave should be held elsewhere...

BTW - are you around September 10-12? (The clave would be honored to host a guest appearance by the venerable Josko!)

<font color="0000ff">DOH! I just read the above threads thoroughly!</font><!--color-->

Great to hear you wouldn't mind driving for a day! Much thanks in advance.

As far as your site contributions, I see your point about posting in one place - but I can tell you we all appreciate your input on this board. I hope it's like another fly shop that you visit once in a while besides the mega-tackle shops where you shop. You're always very welcome here and I know you'll like the guys that hang out here.

I think this site is different in that it's really dedicated to flyfishing except where it comes to a shore lunch of fluke and even then we get a lot on flies

Seriously, your adventures in bluewater are thrilling to read, and any insights you post are appreciated here without any chance of generating spite for a skunking in a spot you describe - not from this group.

I am not saying one's better or worse, just that we are more of a sportsman's club (non-exclusive) as opposed to a town meeting. People are expected to be gentlemen (and ladies) here and get involved because they like being able to get together at this level. No where is this more evident than at our conclaves, which usually go beyond our highest expectations for camaraderie and friendship building.

We sure aren't as big as Jeff's or as old as Reel-time but being a member of all three I can say that we really know how to get together and have a great time in the Forum... not to mention score some great fish!

Great to hear from you again, and I really look forward to getting out on the water with you soon.

best regards,

08-30-2000 02:42 PM
RE:4 keeper in 2 hours and no one around

I don't mind driving for a day. Still embarrassed about skunking the Estey brothers last year, though. BTW, if you're interested in heading ofshore, drop me or Larry an email. Tomorrow, anyone? Slowly, but surely we're making sense of the bluefin turf. You haven't seen closed-mouthed until you've tried to talk to those guys...

And another thing. Guiding on upper cape has become a down-n-dirty cutthroat business. i\I wouldn't trust most of those 'gennelmen' not to steal my boat blind, much less expect them to post helpful stuff, or anything other than infomercials ... 'C'mon down, I got space for a few more...' Don't know how to get rid of them - probably can't as long as fishing stays as good as it is.
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