12-01-2002, 04:27 PM
Well, just thinking and tried a Silverside...needs a lot of refinement, fins wrong, color wrong since I really need green mallard flank not brown. Need to figure out how to do the head better and the body silver.... body must be smaller and thinner...will get better with time. Any comment would be appreciated
12-01-2002, 09:38 PM
I think this is better...body more in line with the way it should be... fins in the right spot...simpler to tye.... Not sure if I like them though.. I think it brings the concept of crease fly to another level, but... may go back and rethink the whole thing.
12-02-2002, 12:25 AM
Please don`t take this wrong, I`ve been a huge admirer of your tying. But this one, I just don`t know..... looks like a fuzzy Rebel.
12-02-2002, 11:06 AM
Yes..I agree... it was just an experiment and I feel the same as you do... that's why I am rethinking the baitfish approach.. I really don't like it myself..but had to try and see what it looked like. Nothing ventured ,nothing Gained.
What stikes me as fishy on the first one is the silver belly and lateral line. That holographic material looks good. Fly number two is some nice artwork but both seem closer to a lure than a fly. I guess what really counts is what the fish think and we'll have to wait until Spring for those results.
12-02-2002, 12:07 PM
FWIW, I think that both could do without the fins. The taper of the body and tail alone would probably look pretty nice in the water.
What's that body made of?
12-02-2002, 12:44 PM
Guys, what I was trying to do is take the Crab apple concept to bait fish.... I think to soon though... I am going back to the Crab Apple and Flounder fly and do different sizes and maybe a light shade for the flounder fly... I think, one inch flounder and Crab Apple might be interesting as well..... I used Mallard flank on the first fish and Blue grizzly hackle on the second fish..it's foam underneath and I agree the fins is overkill, but just trying to see... It is similar to the crease fly only done with two sides of foam together rather than the folding as in the crease fly... these have real heads and would be darters instead of poppers as are the crease flys.
12-02-2002, 01:47 PM
Have you ever experimented with a lip so the fly would swim like a rapala/rebel? Given your skill with epoxy you could probably pull it off with some serious experimentation. Some might frown upon this but I'm always looking for a good attractor pattern when off of the flats. Keep up the creative work!
12-02-2002, 02:04 PM
an interesting notion, though you might want to consider
something more along the lines of the slim jim design, and then
plant your mallard feather on top if you're wedded to that
can't recall if you were at Bobby P's presentation at UFT last
year or not....seem to think you were...remember what
those silversides looked like in the water?...that's what you need to keep in mind if you're designing a fly to catch fish....otherwise, if you're designing a fly to catch fishermen, the sky is the limit I suppose!
12-02-2002, 02:55 PM
Yes Jared I am well aware of that, that's why I am retinking this approach... maybe I will go back to the simple..like a usual surf candy ,for example..but with the mallard on the back....or something like that..I will be working on a variety of Crab Apple and flounder sizes and trying to improve it...but keeping it simple...need to look at othe unusual feathers that may good backgrounds..... I am trying to focus what it would look like in the water so I do have that principally in mind..thanks...by the way when you PM'ed a couple days ago, I was having trouble staying on line with the telephone and was downloading some pictures to my CD and It was taking forever...so I could not stop.... Maybe we can talk tonight.