: Flounder Around Fly
12-01-2002, 10:46 AM
I woke up last night around 2 and it came to me...Mallard flank feathers... The color and texture not to meantion the tiny lines... so this is my first attempt at the Flounder fly with the Crab Apple concept. Marabou tail with the mallard overhanging for fins... flutter movement is atleast maintained with that material... not sure yet... maybe they should be smaller and I am concerned about the stiffness of the body as a practical matter. Anyway...
12-01-2002, 11:39 AM
I realized that the photo really does not show the color.. I have a dark brown foam and will do one with a light brown foam as well to vary the color. The spots are actually brown. Placed it uder a more direct light...this is better.
12-01-2002, 12:47 PM
One benefit of leaving the fibres long is that they will move in the current and create the illusion of something alive when the fly is resting on the bottom.
Expect big bass to do head-stands on this one :D
That's gonna be tough to beat! As far as stiffness, that accidental flounder I referred to earlier was also epoxy based and the stripers didn't care. I don't think stiffness is necessarily a bad thing as long as it can achieve the right presentation.
My entry will take a while, I have some high priority website work on the table, but let's definitely get the contestants together for a vote at the next NE fly show.
12-02-2002, 09:23 AM
John - love it. A great addition to the crabapple series.
I wonder if you could use latex or the foam disks used for crab bodies for a more flexible, lifelike body?
12-02-2002, 09:50 AM
Cool pattern John.
12-02-2002, 06:58 PM
STRIBLUE, nice job, Ill even give you a better body color see that you like feathers try GINI FOWEL they have LITTLE WHITE DOTS ON THEM to, get one to fit on top an coat it, THATS IT no MORE HINTS! :tsk_tsk:
"GOOD LUCK GOOD TYIN":smokin:
12-02-2002, 07:03 PM
O.K. noe more HINT:rolleyes: don't put the weight dumbell eyes on the front, GET SOME GUMMY LEAD an coat the bottom. that way it wont brop FACE FIRST, it will drift SIDE TO SIDE naturaly to the sand. thas it NO NO NO MORE tips:tsk_tsk:
your on your own.
'GOOD LUCK GOOD TYIN":smokin:
12-02-2002, 07:48 PM
Thanks Rich.... I had tied one tonight which was about half the size with tan foam instead to make it somewhat lighter in color and had thought about weight only I coiled some lead wire around the whole shank. You can't stop giving me tips. By the way, I have been trading e-mails with Bob Veverka .
12-03-2002, 10:33 AM
Holy smokes striblue....that is awesome!!!!! :smokin:
12-03-2002, 10:39 AM
Thank's everyone for your positive comments... the danger here is that it only encourages me , as it should I guess... I will have a variety of these at the show. I would like to do a smaller one and will include the weighting as Salty has suggested. I will also post plain cut Crab carapaces to show the difference between the Brown, green and blue crab
12-03-2002, 03:52 PM
Nice ties, both your Flounder Fly and your brown and green crabs. Suggest you continue to weight at least some of your crabs with the barbells at the front end as in your original as this causes the crab to dive at an angle and get down faster, which is natural to many crab species (but not all) and can trigger a predatory fish to strike before the crab borrows into the bottom. Also OK to vary weight technique and try some flat lead-like material on crab bellies (as suggested above for the Flounder pattern) which will give them more of a sinking-but-floating or fluttering action than a diving action and which is characteritic of many of the swimming crab species. Try them both an see which action elicits better responses.
Also is the belly a hard or soft material? Wondering about the splashdown impact for tropical use.
12-03-2002, 03:59 PM
Very nice but does it come it in a stuffed version ? LOL :D
Also is this replacing the Carrie Stevens Classic Streamer fly challenge you alluded to earlier this year for this winter ?
Looks like Mrs. Stevens had about 93 patterns in her collection and would be quite a challenge.
12-03-2002, 04:29 PM
Great work with both the crab and flounder flies, John!
Ever see the crab body weights that Bestco produces?
There kinda neat and quite inventive. Replaces the hour glass eyes needed to flip over the hook.
Stu is a memeber of Rhody Fly Rodders. Once in awhile he'll give me new proto-types to try.
Dick, on patterns I've done in the past, I've used both golf club weighting tape, and electronic solder wire in a flaked left to right pattern, between the layers of material, feathers, what have you.
Though I do not have a picture or pictures at present, I shall make available specimens in the near future for photographing and posting by some one of my benevolent friends.
:razz: :razz: :razz: :eyecrazy: :whoa: :smokin: :devil: (Dick: the previous flashing emoticons are a private message - do not presume they are intended for you :smokin: )
12-03-2002, 04:51 PM
Thanks Ray..they do look good... Dave, thanks but I thought of that years ago:D :hehe: :devil: ;)
12-04-2002, 06:09 AM
Great job. Watched a diving show on cable and it told how striped bass feed on flounder. They showed a flounder cut in half by the bass. This should be a real killer. FishHawk:smokin:
12-04-2002, 09:04 AM
Dick..thanks for your response, had not seen it earlier... I will be doing a weight variation and my Micro only has coiled lead wire which I posted last night..Do you think a combinations of other color feathers might work on Bonefish..I know there is the splash factor but conditions do vary...White ,pink, Chartuese... I need to see the naturals and will be looking at those very closely. Thanks again for your valuable comment.
12-04-2002, 12:04 PM
John, where I fish most (northern and central Bahamas) the blue crab is a favorite target for bones, and the juveniles tend to be a pale turqouise blue-green color in sizes from a dime to a quarter. The fish will take on bigger crabs--I've seen pairs of them rip the main claws off an adult, then tear apart the carcass--but most attack the smaller sizes. Your mottled brown crab is close to the colors of the mud crabs found around the mangroves and I'd toss one of them there. Most important for bones though for a good lasting pattern is to master the splashdown and getting down fast challenges and even more important for permit.--Dick
12-04-2002, 12:29 PM
Ok.. Thanks....thats good advise... I will work on this slowly but surely.