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: Starting a High School Fishing Club!


Netwolf232
10-03-2002, 05:00 PM
I figured out the one thing that my school was missing. A Fishing Club!!!! I just started it this week and we have quite a large turnout. I live in San Diego, CA and go to Point Loma High School. We are looking for some contributions to help get the club on its feet. Anything will help, old rods (fly or other), reels, flys, fly tying kits, rod building supplies, or monetary contributions. We want the members of our club to be able to participate even if they don't have the money to do so. So we would like to have a club set of rods, reels, and tackle. It would be very nice if anyone has any connections in the San Diego area that would be willing to lend some support to a worthy cause. Thank you very much for you consideration.
Sincerely,

Andrew Wolf
You can contact me directly with questions reguarding contributions at either:
Netwolf232@homail.com
or
(619)962-6498

fredaevans
10-03-2002, 10:51 PM
Our next go will be in very late Feb to mid March here on the Rouge. The first one provided funding to two (of four donations) to school systems that provide this type of opportunities.

Keep in touch with me! Love to have your group as one of our target groups. Very Cool!
fae

Darn, almost forgot to add: beyond your e mail address, where/what would you like the folks to provide, and where? The more specific you can be the better we'll all be able to contribute.
Fred

Netwolf232
10-03-2002, 11:18 PM
fredaevans,


I will definitely be staying in touch. I am not quite sure what you mean by
"Darn, almost forgot to add: beyond your e mail address, where/what would you like the folks to provide, and where? The more specific you can be the better we'll all be able to contribute.
Fred".
Do you mean what is the club asking for as far as support? If so, we are just looking for any items or donations which can help towards our master goal of allowing anyone to participate in any of our fishing activities. Items could include rods, reels, line, flies, kits, vests, literature, videos, nets, accessories, etc. Pretty much anything related to fishing that might be lying around the house or monetary contributions that could help toward purchasing these items. We would like to be able to check out fishing setups to students who are not able to buy their own so they can be introduced to the sport as well. Hope that cleared it up for you
Thanks for the help.

Andrew

fredaevans
10-03-2002, 11:31 PM
'Thing' I was trying to focus on (for myself anyway) was what do you need, and in what order. If your immediate goal is to teach them to tie flys, then vises, hooks, etc., and etc. would be our first shot at helping out.

If you need rods/reels, then my question would be what rod/line wts. No point in someone sending you a 'tuna' sized 15 wt when you need 5-6 wt trout rods. I strongly suspect the fellow/gals will pitch in on your request, but focus is everything here, if we're to get you up and running from the get-go.
fae

juro
10-04-2002, 05:39 AM
Netwolf -

Do a search on the Big Brother day we did on Father's Day - rather than get people to give equipment, we asked people to bring lots of it and their time to teach Big and Little brothers how to fish on Father's Day.

I might suggest that asking anglers in your district / region to be mentors would solve not only the gear issue but provide enough tutors for the kids that you say are very interested.

.02

DFix
10-04-2002, 08:06 AM
Another idea is to present your operational plan and long-term outlook to businesses in your area in an attempt to solicit charitable giving, much like a sustaining membership involvement in other organizations, e.g., Boy and Girl Scouts. Also, actively pursue help in structuring your group as a non-profit oriented organization, which may help you regarding solicitations to these larger corporate donors. Regardless of the state of the economy, a well thought out and presented idea, such as yours, appeals to charitable benefactors.

If you have a business course through your school, this may be a perfect project to combine with chartering your club. If you have access to someone in the legal field, you might ask for help putting all the ducks in a row. This may sound like too much involvement for something that's supposed to be fun and collegial, yet you may learn from, be better situated by doing, and actually set the groundwork for the organization to succeed you and your original efforts. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Good Luck.

juro
10-04-2002, 08:49 AM
Also...

Regional manufacturer reps and clubs sometimes have a cache of rods for just such occasions. Flyshops might have demo rods available as loaners too. If you contact these organizations you might hit the jackpot!

striblue
10-04-2002, 03:03 PM
I think you have a big project but one that will work..I agree with Juro, start by getting some of the shops to have a demo program and ask them to come out and give lesson to your first group... I think you would want to get people committed to attend to make it sucessful... also ,have other members of your group...if you are not alone, to help..if you are alone the first thing you need to do is get the members . Plan a trip to the local fly tiers group and sit at the beginners table... things like that... your club doesn't have to be like the New York Angler's Club ..just a group of like minded kids who want to learn about this... maybe a couple captain's or guides will give your group a free trip or outing..Good luck and i think it's a great idea.

watersprite
10-04-2002, 03:07 PM
Absolutely a fantastic idea!

I will be speaking with my son over the weekend about setting up a similar club in his high school. Anything to help these kids break from tradition and their father's big meat sticks on the Skagit :D .

ws

Netwolf232
10-05-2002, 02:28 AM
Thanks you guys for all the input. In response to Fred's question reguarding the order, we would like to first obtain rod and reels in sizes around the 6-7 wt range and then possibly some different lines. After that it doesn’t matter what order we receive the items in. We are not at all picky on donated items anything you guys can spare would be great. Old beat up rods that are never used and sit in your garages in any weight would be just fine.

In regards to Dfix and Juros comments I am definitely going to contact a local fly shop called Strouds and ask them about donations. Unfortunately living in southern California there are not many fly shops in the area. Thanks for all the great help!!!
Sincerely,
Andrew

juro
10-05-2002, 05:00 AM
As I alluded to earlier, we have had success in the Forum by inviting members of the Forum to participate. That way you get both a mentor and plenty of gear.

Perhaps a flyshop is not the right approach - most of these shops are barely making ends meet. How about approaching the Ronald McDonald foundation or other such organization that in a benevolent community type org? Or with such a noble cause directly contacting Cabelas or Bass Pro or other mega company might win you some support.

Personally, I have loaned and given much gear out over the years; in fact I still have loaners out - but no spares at the moment.

Are you a student at Point Loma currently?

Netwolf232
10-05-2002, 04:19 PM
Juro,

Yes, I am currently a student at my High School. I am also President of our High Schools Drag Racing club where we build and race Drag cars at a local track. Having been the president for two years I know what it is like looking for program donations. I sent out over 80 letters last year to anywhere from Indian casinos to local air conditioning companies. From all of that I only received a $150 donation and a set of valve covers. That’s why I am using the approach of asking people not for monetary donations but for old or spare gear. In my experience that has always been a much more productive approach. That doesn’t mean I am not going to write letters to those organizations I just want you to see where I’m coming from. Thanks
Andrew

juro
10-05-2002, 09:25 PM
Wow - I am impressed.

How many students? What species would you be using, or would it just be casting? Location?

I would imagine 6wt or 7wt rods with floating lines and any reel that will act as a line holder will do for casting and freshwater.

Do you have a class description? If your plan is solid, perhaps with our help we could get this done for you.

Please prepare and present the details of your plan.

Who would teach it?

Would your school approve of it (liabilities, credits, etc)?

Who would approve it?

How many students (repeated)?

I am getting pretty pumped up about this project! Tell me more!

fredaevans
10-05-2002, 10:05 PM
Your posts suggested a 'much' older fellow. Obviously your 'education' is sticking. To paraphrase General Patton: "A man that eloquent must be saved." If you're 60+, the 'where from' of that quote is obvious; at your age a 'history exam.'
:>)

Give the board a Solid! 1,2,3 priority list of your needs, when and where. A shopping list makes life easier.

Another very important thing is the name of your high school, and it's telephone number. Not a question of distrust, but the 'higher up's' will be involved. The sooner we're all on the same page the less likely this will blow up in your face. (40+ years of Sr. Management talking here.)

fae

Netwolf232
10-05-2002, 10:21 PM
P.L.H.S. Fishing Club


The P.L.H.S. Fishing Club is an organization in which students are able to meet, discuss, and plan different types of fishing activities. The P.L.H.S. Fishing Club members will meet once a week in a selected teachers room and talk about their fishing experiences and also plan group trips. The P.L.H.S. Fishing Club will go on at least one major trip each month and possibly other smaller trips on the side. All trips will be optional, but recommended. If possible there will be, once a year, a large group trip that will require driving a distance or flying to places such as Colorado, Mammoth, Washington etc. The P.L.H.S. Fishing Club is not limited to one type of fishing, it will cover everything from fly-fishing to bubbling (type of Catfish fishing).

We are very fortunate in San Diego to be surrounded by great fisheries such as lake Murray, Lake Hodges, Santee Lakes, the bay, local golf courses, and especially the ocean. Fishing is made all the more fun when there is a group of people taking part. This Club will be just one more way for students on the Point Loma campus to meet and make new acquaintances with the same hobbies and interests as themselves. Thank you for taking the time to consider the P.L.H.S. Fishing Club

We already have approval from the school and have a teacher who is sponsoring us so it is an official club. The majority of the surrounding lakes contain bass and a few trout. I personally would like to get better at salt-water fly fishing. I have been several times but had no luck. Here is a list in the order we need the items.

1. Rods, weights 5-6 for local lakes and 7-8 for salt water
2. Reels, matching sizes some fresh some salt
3. Lines, matching sizes
4. Flies or fly tying kits
5. Rod building supplies
6. Gear, cases, fly holders etc.

Pretty soon we will be looking for some casting and technique lessons. I found a local lake where every other Wednesday they offer casting lessons. So that takes care of that but when the club starts to become established I will definitely be looking for people to come in to speak and demonstrate.

Juro,
In response to your post I think you might have the wrong impression of the club. It will not be an actual class just a school club which meets at lunch and takes after school trips. It might sound a little less serious than you had hoped but trying to get a fishing class in high school would be almost a David and Goliath struggle. It is a struggle just to keep the current programs such as Auto shop and Woodshop.

As soon as we find the kids who are really interested in the club and aren't just coming to see what its like I will give a second count. This Wednesday is our first "Official Meeting” So that's when we will be able to discuss the fine details and see what the club members want to do. I don't want to count my chickens before they've hatched so I will keep my comments kind of general for now.

Thanks,
Andrew

juro
10-06-2002, 07:41 AM
Now we're getting somewhere! Nice job with your letter. It would be a little more concrete if we could dig into the next level of details:

#1 - Club meetings by this approach would run 9 mos out of the year. Meetings would be in a teacher's room where video, photos, slideshows, fly-tying, lure-making, rod-building are the key activities.

Q: Does your school have in-focus projectors?
Q: Do the students have power-point or other slideshow software?

#2 - Outings would go 12 mos year in SD (I used to work there and I know the weather patterns) but you say FF is only a part of it...

Q: How many members are you targeting? Is there a limit?

Q: Number of rod/reel outfits you seek?

Q: Realizing it's not practical to provide gear for all who sign up, what exactly is the purpose of this gear - meaning how will it be used by the club? (It's OK if you don't know yet, I am just trying to understand the thinking)

Q: What percentage of the time would be flyfishing activity / discussion verses not FF?

Q: What journaling do you expect to keep (photos, films, reports)?

Thanks for being patient. With this information I think I can determine a strategy to assist you.

striblue
10-06-2002, 11:02 AM
Hal...love the quotes..... As you no doubt know Patton was responding to a more famous quote from General McAulliffe of the 101st Airbourne (or 82nd,,I can't remember...I think Maxawell Taylor was the commanding general of the 101st)at Bastone in the Battle of the Bulge...when McAulliffe answered the german surrender request with the word.."NUTS".

Netwolf232
10-06-2002, 12:01 PM
Juro,
In response to your Questions,
Projector:yes
Powerpoint:yes
#of members:unlimited
Ideal target #: 20-25
Number of rods & reels: 2 of each size ranging from five to eight weight (ideal number)
Amount of time to FF: I would estimate about 1/2 or so
Journaling amount: Photos, videos ....
Purpose for having rods: to allows students, who would not normally have access to such items, to be able to use them and participate in club activities.
Hope that helps.
Andrew

Netwolf232
10-10-2002, 05:49 PM
Point Loma High School now has an official Fishing Club. The club has been generating quite a large buzz around school. Our meeting had to be pushed to tomorrow (Friday), due to ASB approval. If anyone would like to contact the school directly you can do so at (619) 223-3121 and the address is
2335 Chatsworth Blvd.
San Diego, CA 92106
I will be sure to inform the forum of the first meetings turnout. Thanks to everyone for the initial support.
Andrew
:)

DFix
10-11-2002, 01:33 PM
Andrew -

Within the last few weeks, the Boy Scouts of America has updated the Merit Badge skill awards by authorizing a Fly Fishing Merit Badge; a strong move beyond the original Fishing Merit Badge. The requirements, as you'll see from the link, are balanced around basic skills, husbandry and end-use.

This skillset may be a good baseline for all club members to complete, regardless of expertise, thus acclimating everyone to the club. I'm sure you'll learn early on that not everyone interested in your club will possess skills and abilities to match yours or whomever; when we run Merit Badge training, we move at the student's speed, sometimes rehashing from the beginning, to give the Scout, student, club member or visitor a chance to become comfortable with the materials, techniques, terminology and so forth.

Taken from the Merit Badge Requirements at: www.bsaflyfishing.com OR:

http://www.meritbadge.com/bsa/mb/

Requirements for the Boy Scout Fly Fishing Merit Badge

Updated: 07/07/02 (copied from "FLY-FISHING" Boy Scouts of America Merit Badge Series ISBN0-8395-3283-0 ©2002 Boy Scouts of America)

Remember the requirements below are the steps to obtain the badge; the explanations and diagrams are in the Merit Badge Booklet. As each Scout or member completes a proficiency, it is presented to the Merit Badge Counselor for "sign-off", toward award of the badge.

In the case of your fishing club, you may use this the same way, giving all inexperienced members and interested parties a chance to see and feel and learn at a comfortable pace.

1. Explain to your counselor the injuries that could occur while flyfishing and the
proper treatment including cuts, scratches, puncture wounds, insect bites, hypothermia,
and heat reactions. Explain how to remove a hook that has lodged in your arm. Name
and explain five safety practices youshould always follow while flyfishing.

2. Discuss how to match a fly rod, line and leader to get a balanced system.
Discuss several types of fly lines and explain how and when each would be used.
Review with your counselor how to care for this equipment.


3. Demonstrate how to tie proper knots to prepare a fly rod for fishing:
a/ Tie a backing to a fly reel spool using the arbor backing knot
b/ Attach backing to fly line using the nail knot
c/ Attach a leader to fly line using the needle knot, nail knot or loop-to-loop connection
d/ Add a tippet to a leader using a double surgeon’s loop or blood knot
e/ Tie a fly onto the terminal end of the leader using the improved clinch knot


4. Explain how the following types of flies are used: dry flies, wet flies, nymphs,
streamers, bass bugs and poppers. What does each imitate?
Tie at least two types of the flies mentioned in this requirement.


5. Demonstrate the ability to cast a fly consistently and accurately using overhead
and roll cast techniques.


6. Go to a suitable fishing location and make observations on the types of insects
fish may be eating. Look for flying insects and some that may be on or beneath
the water’s surface. Look under rocks. Explain the importance of matching the hatch.


7. Explain the importance of practicing “Leave No Trace”and how it positively
affects flyfishing resources.


8. Obtain a copy of the regulations affecting game fishing where you live.
Explain why they were adopted and what you accomplish by following them.


9. Explain what good outdoor sportsmanlike behavior is and how it relates to fishermen.
Tell how the Outdoor Code of the Boy Scouts of America relates to a fishing enthusiast,
including the aspects of littering, trespassing, courteous behavior and obeying fishing
regulations.


10. Using the fly fishing techniques you have learned, catch two different kinds of fish
and identify them. Release at least one of them unharmed. Clean and cook another fish.

The Outdoor Code, as mentioned in Item 9:

The Outdoor Code
As an American, I will do my best to -

Be clean in my outdoor manners.
I will treat the outdoors as a heritage.
I will take care of it for myself and others
I will keep my trash and garbage out of lakes, streams, fields, woods, and roadways.
Be careful with fire.
I will prevent wildfire.
I will build my fires only where they are appropriate.
When I have finished using a fire, I will make sure it is cold out.
I will leave a clean fire ring, or remove all evidence of my fire.
Be considerate in the outdoors.
I will treat public and private property with respect.
I will use low-impact methods of hiking and camping.
and

Be conservation minded
I will learn how to practice good conservation of soil, waters, forests, minerals, grasslands, wildlife, and energy.
I will urge others to do the same.

(Fill in wherever 'Fishing' needs to be inserted :) )
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bud, I hope this lends something to your experience. Good Luck.
;)

Netwolf232
10-11-2002, 09:36 PM
Thanks dfix,

We had our first meeting today and we had a great turnout. We had 19 kids show up to the meeting and they were all very interested. I also talked to a local sportsfishing shop and they said the would be glad to sponsor us with some rods and discounts. I was very surprised that that many people showed up. We would still like to attain a few fly fishing setups, so if anyone has any lying around and would like to donate them to a good cause please contact me. Thanks
Andrew
(619)962-6498

Netwolf232
10-21-2002, 08:29 PM
We had our second meeting last week and had a great turnout! we now have 25 members of the P.L.H.S fishing club. We have had two local club outings and are planning a fly fishing trip to lake Cuyimaca (excuse the spelling) next week. We hope to generate some more interest in the fly fishing aspect of the club. We currently have about fifteen students who either already fly fish or would like to learn. Just wanted to keep everyone posted!!
Andrew

DFix
10-22-2002, 09:20 AM
Andy, that's great news. Yesterday I was playing around in Fred Evans neck of the woods ( internet style) and saw a mention of the Federation of Fly Fishers lending support to a program similar to yours. The thought goes back to Juro's mention of FFF support - have you found an opportunity to search for a FFF connection in your area?

Different thought: Your geographical area (I know some of it from past military experience) - please describe it for the membership here; fishable bodies of water, available species, general techniques, wet or dry style flies and pattern ideas, etc., my thought being (NOTE: if I'm re-stating someone else's idea here, apologies before the fact) that maybe the membership of this board could do some kind of a tying donation to this club, much like the Big Brother charity day idea.

Any other support for that idea?

Netwolf232
10-22-2002, 05:00 PM
Dfix,
The suuroundings of the san diego area vary. There are lakes such as Murray, Santee, poway, hodges, and a few smaller lakes. The majority of the lakes contain either bass, trout and other pan fish. We also have ocean fishing nearby which produces some surf perch and bass. San Diego and Mission Bay are also very productive fishieries. We also have great golf corse fishing!! You just keep pulling bass out at the golf corse ponds. We had a couple of sports fishing shops in the area donate some lures and rods and give us some discounts. That was nice but I havent had time to approach a local fly shop named Strouds nearby. Thanks for the help,
Andrew

juro
10-22-2002, 05:04 PM
Andrew -

Keep up the good work! Sorry we don't have a supply of gear to dispatch to your cause.

I have another suggestion though - how about a domain and web site? We will support your group by buying your domain for the first two years and hosting your webpage and club forum.

How does that sound?

Juro

Netwolf232
10-22-2002, 05:29 PM
Juro,
Thanks you very much for the offer but I am at a point in my school year where it would be kind of hard to keep updating and modifying a website. I have built a few and I realize the time and effort that goes into them. I hope to eventally have a club website but for now id just like to center on getting the club established and running smoothly. Thanks
Andrew

juro
10-22-2002, 05:46 PM
I hear you on that one alright, loud and clear!

It's your call but I'll bet you don't know how easy it is to maintain a site when you have the right tools.

If you can put up a post in this forum you can create a new topic page using the right publishing software. Images from each meeting, trip photos, all from anyone you authorize in your club.

Check this out before you decide:

http://enthusiastmedia.com

Enthusiast Media is a Forum sponsor business in which I am a partner. We hope EMEDIA will help pay the Forum server costs thru 2003. For your club we could offer free services.

You could give author access to members and be the editor - your job is to say OK / NO / OK / OK - done.

Up to you!