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striblue
08-30-2002, 08:18 AM
You all probably know this but I have been looking for a definitive book on Bluewater flyfishing and found the best that I could find... If you are looking for the same thing pick up Trey Comb's"Bluewater Flyfishing"..excellent on every aspect including all species...but what really impressed me is the Fly Patterns which can be done for stripers as well.. We have seen most of the patterns but the ones in the book that are the same in Veverkas book seem to have clearer recipies. Check it out if you have not already.

juro
08-30-2002, 09:05 AM
Great book, I have a signed copy. Now all I need is a bluewater boat :p

striblue
08-30-2002, 09:11 AM
Juro... we have one... the yak toy!.... I will have one some day, but we can get out far enough with the 18 or 20 footers.

Dble Haul
08-30-2002, 09:49 AM
I also have the book and agree that it's wonderful. Well written and a great read during a winter snowstorm to warm you up inside. :p

capt_gordon
09-24-2002, 10:21 AM
That book is how I learned how to catch dolphin on fly. Everything he talks about for dolphin fishing is perfectly true and actually happens the exact way he describes it.

Pretty rare in fishing literature I am afraid.

Eddie
09-24-2002, 06:01 PM
The knot and rigging descriptions are the best I have seen, and the pictures...grrrr :eyecrazy:

Philster
09-24-2002, 07:47 PM
Okay, since it seems to be my role in life, I'll throw some water on the party :devil:

Randall Kaufmann's Bonefishing is a great book. Bluewater Fishing isn't.

The book seems to be aimed at a strata of folks who don't need the book, if they exist at all. All this talk of breaking rods before, or just as the tippet breaks... C'Mon... I fished 6 foot straight 20 lb Mason leaders before switching to fluorocarbon and more "fancy" leaders. Hate to say it for fear of what may happen, but never broke a rod. Landed tuna in the 25 to 30 pound zone in 20-45 minutes. Never spent an hour on a bluewater fish yet as long as the rod was appropriate... it just isn't written for the same folks the steelhead books were written for... Fishermen like us. If I had read the book before starting off in the world of bluewater, I may never have done it because of his horror stories.

The rigging info is good, and the fishing techniques, when they are given are good too, but it could use more, especially with the tuna species.

Oh yeah, the salmon chapter? The chinook info seems to be based on ONE fish. Go back and re-read it. The narrative and the pictures sure are! 2 or 3 shots of the same fish with captions like "A chinook..." when it should have read "The chinook..." That is a little unethical...

That being said there is no competition, and I would LOVE to see a new edition of the book with info on all the new gear and lines and flies and the techniques that have been developed in the south pacific.

Translation, just because he's relatively full of it doesn't mean it's not entertaining. It's just not great.

striblue
09-24-2002, 09:49 PM
Well, that's obviously just my opinion and the series of flies is great,(in my humble inexperienced opinion), especially the series on the sea habit bucktail.... But I like books for their entertainment value and there are simply not enough books around on bluewater flyfishing...Kaufman's
is twice the cost as well . What I should have said is that it is great to me since I do not have the opportunity yet to do even a small amount of Bluewater flyfishing at all....love the pictures and the rigging is large and clear. I think you can learn alot from any reading, especially if your experiences are different from what you read... the Striper books ,for example, are basically all the same... where to find fish, how to fish them, what flies, etc, etc...The estuaries, the surf..on and on...I look though them to find something different... If all we have is two books to compare, it is better than books that don't touch on flyfishing, like a Book I just got called "TUNA"...forgot the author...but all about spreader rigs, Penn Internationals,,,Blah,Blah , When I caught tuna on those rigs, all I had to do is reel and shout to the captain to stop the engins since it was harder to reel them in with the boat cruising...thanks for the thrill but no thanks....Like the blue fish charters..keep trolling even when hooked,it gives the folks the feel of a greater fight than if the boat was stopped. ( I know the story is to keep the fish out and not have to reel those fish in by trying to recapture line with a fish turning toward the boat ...but still....)

Roop
09-25-2002, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by Philster
I fished 6 foot straight 20 lb Mason leaders before switching to fluorocarbon and more "fancy" leaders

What the hell ever happened to Mason hard mono?

I remember it was an intricate part of my tarpon leaders 4-5 years ago. Now, you never hear mention of it.

Good point Phil.

Does anyone still purchase from Lyons press directly?

Roop

capt_gordon
09-25-2002, 07:50 AM
But Philster, if you ever get a chance to fish for what you out there in teh west call dorado and what we here in the east call dolphin, you will see what I am talking about. Also my buddy got to go to Costa Rica last march for sails. It was, again, exactly the way as described in the book.
I did notice that the saltwater salmon descriptions were indeed pretty lame. But the other stuff is right on.

Eddie
09-25-2002, 08:25 AM
Bone Fishing is also a very good book. I am lucky, because my wife alows me to have two. Haven't fought a fish for more than an hour? Keep fishing in the sea.
Wasn't it Randall Kaufman who said,"When setting the hook on a Tarpon, feel for the corner of it's mouth."? Who is he writing to there?

Philster
09-25-2002, 03:35 PM
"But Philster, if you ever get a chance to fish for what you out there in teh west call dorado and what we here in the east call dolphin, you will see what I am talking about. Also my buddy got to go to Costa Rica last march for sails. It was, again, exactly the way as described in the book. "

If I had to count the number of Dorado I've caught, I'd have to count the number of Dorado I've caught :D That is the most prevalent "bluewater" fish in the sea of cortez in Baja where I go between late June through November. They are sometimes referred to as "rats" due to their numbers at certain times. Done the sail thing too. Both those fish are on the easy side of the bluewater spectrum. Well, to hook anyway. They are also both gorgeous and amazing fish.

Capt Gordon, if you ever want to really see what Dorado fishing is like, go to Loreto Mexico between mid July and mid August. There are days where you will have the captain turn the boat around long before you are scheduled to go in. Really... You can get about 5 days on the water for as low as $650 double occupancy, including room and board. And if you go, give me a call, I'll meet you and bring the flies :smokin:

Philster
09-25-2002, 03:44 PM
"Haven't fought a fish for more than an hour? Keep fishing in the sea.
Wasn't it Randall Kaufman who said,"When setting the hook on a Tarpon, feel for the corner of it's mouth."? Who is he writing to there?"

Hey Eddie. Notice I said I haven't spent an hour on a Bluewater fish, no mention of tarpon :hehe: As I've also mentioned earlier, not that I would expect anyone to remember because, hey, why should it memorable, I prefer fish I can cast to. That means Dorado, yellowtail, yellowfin, sails, and small striped marlin.

I think Randall was referring to the now popular circle hook approach of not rushing the hookset, and trying to get a hinge hookup. Something trumpeted by steelhead gurus forever. Heck, Hugh Falkus of atlantic salmon fame advocated using a hook that wasn't super sharp so it wouldn't catch on hard bony parts of the mouth and would instead slide a bit and come to rest in the "scissor" of the mouth. That hardly compares to talking about needing to break a half dozen or so rods before you know how much pressure you can put on a fish...

Hey, it's only rock and roll...

capt_gordon
09-25-2002, 04:08 PM
Let's go! I that maybe you had been down there after I had put up that previous post, but left it there for you.:chuckle:

Philster
09-25-2002, 04:34 PM
If you're serious, I'd be game! I know a gal who runs a great operation down there. Anything from high end resort (500 bucks from 3 days fishing and great room and board AND open bar all day long :D ) to $250 flea bag, and try not to eat anything for 3 days fishing.

Bajaclave anyone?

juro
09-25-2002, 04:37 PM
Philster -

$500? What's the best time of year? Pls tell us more!

I have been intrigued with Baja since Bob Veverka's article...

http://www.flyfishingforum.com/destinations/index.htm

capt_gordon
09-25-2002, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Philster
If you're serious, I'd be game! I know a gal who runs a great operation down there. Anything from high end resort (500 bucks from 3 days fishing and great room and board AND open bar all day long :D ) to $250 flea bag, and try not to eat anything for 3 days fishing.

Bajaclave anyone?

Dude, that sounds awesome. You mean it's $500 per person for 3 days for the fishing, the room and food? Or $500 per day? If it's the first I may even be able to afford it. Sounds like too good to be true somehow. Tell me it's not...

Philster
09-25-2002, 06:36 PM
All prices listed are per person, double occupancy for the entire trip. The $500 one is the high end joint. Air conditioned, top flight american motel accomodations, with 150 tv channels via satellite. Even a nudie channel :devil: You can do it for half that easily. I'm doing five nights all inclusive, four days in the boat (take off from the beach in front of the hotel), and one night is in a suite (all they had) for $1,400 as a solo tripper. Group booking can be less :smokin: For Late summer Dorado fest check www.bajabigfish.com Awesome lady, great site.

Three basic seasons. Talking about what's really hot. It doesn't mean the species not listed won't be there.

Spring: May/June Awesome inshore for jacks, roosters, sierra mackerel, grouper, cabrilla, etc. Some skipjack action. East Cape mostly. Storms can keep you off the water if you go too early

Late summer: July/August Dorado Dorado Dorado! Some yellowtail (DAMN TOUGH FIGHTER!), Inshore fish also. Around Loreto is best. Fished have moved north from the cape. Storms can be an issue. More from the perspective of messing up Dorado cover, but can push you off the water.

Fall: East Cape again. Dorado all sizes, but big solitary bulls around, gotta look for them, Yellowfin (football to VW size), Sails, Marlin if you like the whole tease thing. Wahoo a slim possibility. You would have to dedicate the whole trip and maybe not see one.

capt_gordon
09-26-2002, 07:32 AM
I am getting kind of excited about this. Probably not going to Alaska next year. This will fit my new schedule. Where would I fly into from the east coast? Do you think Southwest goes there?

Adrian
09-26-2002, 08:24 AM
East cape is looking "muy interestante" amigos - especially with deals like that!

Could be very interested here!

We stayed in Cabo San Lucas (1998 ish) which was very nice for non-fishing wives - you could even drink the water. Beaches were unfishable from shore due to serious Dumper surf - we're talking something the size of a house rising out of nowhere about 30 feet of the shore and hitting the beach - something to do with no continental shelf on the Pacific side.

Philster
09-26-2002, 04:35 PM
For spring and fall, flying into Los Cabos (San Jose del Cabo) is cool for the east cape, or you can go into La Paz. I VERY MUCH RECOMMEND LOS CABOS! Lots of delays into La Paz. For late summer in Loreto, you fly into Loreto... One shortish strip, left to right for take off, right to left for landings, try not to pass directly behind the idleing engines when you "deplane" onto the tarmac:chuckle:

Alaska, and United definitely go into Cabo, I would assume southwest would have some flights. A buddy flew in from Huntsville Alabama once. Don't recall the carrier.

For Loreto, you usually have to fly to Los Angeles, and connect to Aero California which is actually a mexican airline. Good one too. Better food, and hot young "stews". Shows you what a lack of anti-discrimination laws can do :devil: Just joking guys, I'm creeping on 40 and out of the job market at the moment. I support us "old folks" being protected... But they are cute :devil: :devil:

Cabo San Lucas is no place for a fly fisher to be IMO, unless you want to go on a cruiser ride and troll. For the east cape stick to "Punta Colorada" north to La Paz. Lots of great "resorts" of varying expense up and down the coast. Don't want to violate any anti-commercial rules (really don't, I think this site is B*tch*n' and want it to be strong sponsor-wise), but if this thing gets serious, know that there will be tons of options and price ranges.

Hardest choice is time of year. That dictates location to a great degree. Much like anadromous fish, the pelagics come in by way of cabo, move up the sea of Cortez (a giant bay) during summer as the water warms, and move back out as water cools in the fall. Not true off all the species, but true enough to plan your trip that way.

capt_gordon
09-26-2002, 05:17 PM
I must be doing something wrong because all I can get is flights for almost $2,000. Brutal. Even on Hotwire all I get is $965. Maybe I won't be going.

Philster
09-26-2002, 05:26 PM
As a test, I found $796 from atlanta in june... didn't know where you would fly out of. try the airlines themselves. I saved over $100 on my flight (310 instead of 435 I think) by going directly through Alaska instead of the online travel sites.

striblue
09-26-2002, 09:05 PM
Hey Guys..this was just about a book...remember.

saltydog
10-05-2002, 07:30 AM
:smokin: been there, done that! sounds like you guys want to put a trip together, IM GAME, count me in. :D
"GOOD LUCK GOOD FISHIN"