: Soo Atlantics
06-29-2002, 09:39 AM
25th aniversary plans for Newfoundland/NovaScotia had to be scrubbed but we plan to spend some time up around Mackinac and Sault St. Marie. I have one day scheduled with Karl Vogel durring the second week in July. :hehe: Anyone have any tips or info they want to share? Can I get by with waste high breathable waders there in July, or do I need the Neo?
06-29-2002, 09:50 AM
Mr. Vogel is the or one of the best guides on that river. Water is cold due to Lake Superior flows into the rapids, I have never fished but read a lot about it. Breathables should be OK, heck its the summer time. Bring both if your worried, I always bring two pairs of waders on each trip, on breatheable and the neopremes. Wading in the rapids is suppose to be dangerous, very slick rocks and fast water, caddis, mayfly, and stone fly nymph patterns appear to be the hot flies there. Also would have some smelt patterns.
Good luck, let me know how you like the rapids, been on my to do list for 10 years but those other blue ribbon michigan rivers which are closer to me always get in my way, along with my sons sports schedules and business. :mad:
06-30-2002, 10:20 PM
Just talked to Vogel again. He said breathable was fine for this weather. Then he found out my breathables were wast high & suggested I put up with the heat to be able to wade deeper. Then he found out my waste high were the only ones with felt & it was no contest. He basically said I HAD to have the felt limited or not. Does this sound like a good excuse to get another pain of waders? :hehe: It would be a shame to spend all that money on a fishing trip & blow it because I couldn't wade deep enough.:hehe:
07-02-2002, 07:08 AM
The new chest high breathables will be here today.:hehe:
07-02-2002, 07:31 AM
Yes good move. Bring a wading staff with you also. Sounds like that is the one river you really need it out here unless the water is really high like on the Muskegon or Big M at times. If you have an old ski pole you can make one cheaply out of those. Thats what I did from downhill aluminimum ski poles, painted a green camoflouge color. :smokin: :smokin:
07-02-2002, 07:59 AM
just take a (depending upon your heighth) 2-4 foot section of 3/8ths nylon line and a climbers clip to attach the pole-you together. Not using; just let it float below you.
Prefer the old ski poles as they have the small heavy 'basket' at the end which increases their stability in round rocks.
07-02-2002, 10:37 AM
thats exactly what I did to my old down hill ski poles 20 years ago, and then painted them camoflage green/color. I don't use them very often, only in high spring flows.
07-19-2002, 10:41 AM
WOW!!!! Now I know what all the fuss is about! Atlantics rule!!!
I didn't catch any big enough to brag about but MAN can they fight! I had one day with Karl Vogel. His reputation is deserved. (yes, Hal, I gave him your message) My only regret is that we never got to the rapids, which was my original destination and intent. We spent the entire day on his boat. I wanted to go to the rapids but he wanted me to get into a big fish and the big fish were primarily elsewhere. And there were a LOT of big fish there, all with lockjaw as far as I was concerned, but thats the breaks of fishing. (by large I mean 15-20 lbs) I know in some places that wouldn't be large, but to me, a first time Atlantic fisherman, I was about as excited over a 20 pounder swimming by as a kid on Christmas morning. I would say Karl that's a BIG fish, I mean BIG! and he would reply, Ya dats a beeg fiss!
We had one grilse about 4lbs that was seriously gill hooked, so I took it back for supper the next evening. I have never eaten salmon that good before! Realistically, I suspect that it was the freshness, as opposed to the species that was the main factor, but it was wonderful eating. (I fileted it, skin still on, and slow broiled it over a hardwood fire with salt ,pepper, and lots of lemmon slices)
I'm hooked bad!
p.s. I had two days on the Au Sable at Grayling that were pretty glorious as well.
:D :D :D
07-19-2002, 12:04 PM
Good report, wow I did not think they had 20 pound atlantics there. That would be some trophy to get in the rapids or try to get I mean.
Were you using the Vogel Caddis or Viagra caddis nymphs over at the gates ?
Its definitely going to top of my fishing list and probably what an 8 hour drive from Chicago I suspect ?
07-19-2002, 12:46 PM
Yes we were using both. Dropper rigged. At the gates (Edison).
Yes its worth the drive. I was there on the 10th. The run is late this yeat because of cold water. Call Karl to see how it is now. It may be peaking out now. Take your own boat and do it yourself if you wish, it isn't hard. You will need a wall hook to fasten to the wall with. If you don't go over to the Rapids you will only need your Michigan license, which I suspect you already have. Of course if you are there for more than a day and don't go try the rapids I'll be scratching my head. They are absolutely beautiful, and oh so inviting, from the bridge. The Canadians customs were really nice. The U.S. bordered on being a**holes. But then we are arguably the most arrogant nation on earth, so what do you expect. If you go with Karl he can pick you up in his boat on the U.S. side and take you to get a Canadian license so you avoid the wait in line at customs. Also if you go early or late enough you avoid the lines. The first day we went over we went very early and there was no line. The next day we arived about 9:00 a.m. and it took a little while. Both days we ended up in return lines startimg half-way across the bridge. On the bright side I got to take a very good look at the rapids.
I may try to go back in October for the Kings.
07-19-2002, 02:04 PM
Thanks for the info don't they also get kokanees there on odd years ? Always wanted to get up there. If there is a chance a 10-20 lb atlantic on the fly I will be there sooner rather than later for sure.
07-19-2002, 02:28 PM
don't know about Kokanees. If you want a shot at Atlantics at the Soo this year time is drawing short. I did get a pink about 1 lb. Karl said it was the first time he had ever seen one come from that location. Pat
07-19-2002, 07:55 PM
Yes that was what I mean't Pink Salmon. I hear there are times when lake run browns, coasters, steelhead, pinks,kings, and coho salmon may all be there at the same time. Maybe even some atlantics. Now that would be quite a feat to catch one of each in one day. I wonder if the lake trout run in there also like some of our other rivers ?
07-19-2002, 11:42 PM
We figgured if I could have gotten a steelhead that would have constituted some sort of grand slam but I was two obsessed with the Atlantics to leave the area where they were lieing up. But yes, it would be awesome to hit it when they were all present. A virtual, but not quite, impossibility. The fact that I took the pink when and where it wasn't supposed to be proves it could happen. WOW!:whoa: