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: I Have Seen It All...

05-16-2002, 01:45 AM
...Hal and all other Great Lake steelheaders should be ashamed of themselves!!!!

http://www.fishusa.com/tackleshop/assets/product_images/61093001b.jpg :tsk_tsk: :tsk_tsk:

Roger's White Wiggler is a unique maggot imitation pattern developed by an Erie steelhead angler. This fly is made with pieces of yarn and burned ends, and looks strikingly similar to real maggots on a hook.

This pattern is tied locally by the creator of the pattern in a size 18 on premium, chemically sharpened, extra-strong Tiemco or Mustad scud hook.

05-16-2002, 06:29 AM
Thats Lake Erie, I cannot speak for them. I saw that recently and did a double take. Never seen anything like that used in Lake Michigan tributaires and I wlll not have any in my fly box.

05-16-2002, 09:59 AM
With enough flotant you'd have . . . a Waking Maggot Fly!!!:hehe: :hehe: :devil:

05-16-2002, 11:47 AM
With enough floatant and a dropper fly you have an indicator with a bite! [And you won't have to hang your head in shame whilst among your traditionalist brothers.]:devil:


05-16-2002, 12:08 PM
Good comments, you had me laughing at work after a particularly bad business meeting which means more work for me.

Maggot flies, whats next ? I guess it is used to imitate the maggots which flow off the dead salmon carcassess in the river after the fall runs in Lake Erie.

I am not that desparate yet, Nrthfrk16 put a picture up after you have yours tied up.

Size 18 though, kind of small to hold a steelhead on


:eyecrazy: :eyecrazy:

John Desjardins
05-16-2002, 12:16 PM
Thats an interesting hatch to match :hehe: and I thought that lake Erie was getting cleaner.

Aren't maggotts, aka meal worms, the larval form of the common fly. So this could be called a larvae cluster similiar to multiple midges tied on the same hook and as such be a "proper" fly? Just being the devils advocate. :devil:

05-30-2002, 06:01 PM

Good thoughts, on maggots and their similarity to meal worms. I hear that many steelhead bait anglers are tipping their jigs or just fishing live meal worms as a bait now for great lakes steelhead. Out here they also use a lot of meal worms for ice fishing on lakes.

I suppose some of my steelhead nymphs could imitate a meal worm or maggot depending upon how you look at it. Will have to add a few to my arsenal. However, they will not be able to imitate the erratic wiggle a meal worm has when you impale it on your bait hook. Yes I confess I used them a couple of times when I took my boys pan fishing, but I swear I have never used them on my fly rod and never would. I think that is what triggers a steelhead to attack them much like the pink rubber worms the PNW anglers have used for steelhead very successfully. A rubber worm has an incredible erratic wiggling action in a river which I think just antagonizes the heck out of them and causes them to react and attack.

I believe that is why large marabou streamers qnd speys work well some times for steelhead if they can provide an erratic wiggling action to trigger them into attacking.

I will be applying the large marabou streamers and speys to the summer run skamanias out here soon.


05-30-2002, 07:51 PM
you've taken a 'miniature' Siamese cat and lashed the poor thing to a hook. Shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:tsk_tsk: :tsk_tsk: :tsk_tsk: :tsk_tsk: :tsk_tsk:

05-30-2002, 08:45 PM
Again I cannot speak for Lake Erie steelhead FF, they do some strange things over there on that www.noodlebagger.com site with the river web cams etc... I have been boycotting it just so they do not get credit for my site hits. You know I hate technology encroachment on our rivers.

Fred did you get your portable side scan fish locator yet to locate exactly where the springers are and thus target your spey swing more precisely ?

I have to stop now, or else I will go into another anti technology discourse..... :devil:

05-30-2002, 10:09 PM
the Board. Been waiting .... and waiting ... and waiting. Think this maybe one of the primary reasons Dave K. and I are considering the use of "Dupont Spinners."

Forgot to add: Dah, Fred.

Flys for the swap weren't done as tubes, but I sure can do them that way for you if you want. Lord, knows you've been more than generous to me.

PS: Call from the JoanMeister this morning; first 'contact' since she split almost a week ago. Not her fault as the MCI overseas # they gave her is non-operational. Anyway, having a good time (she called at 11:30am PST-8:30PM where ever she is time) from a bar. Not quite Ha.xnv;oiuerny Anervwdiufoapoey (our 15th) but could tell she was doing 'wine bar home study.course' with the tour group. :hehe:

05-30-2002, 10:28 PM

No rush when you get a chance shoot out a couple of tubes will send some of the new streamers I have been tying and some other nymphs.

When I have been in Europe on business it was always tough to connect with my wife due to the large time difference and being 6-7 hours ahead. Hope I don't have to go over there any time soon but there is one project I am on which could put me there for a short stay. Senior management there appears needs the americans to show them how to do some things.


05-30-2002, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by fredaevans
the Board. Been waiting .... and waiting ... and waiting. Think this maybe one of the primary reasons Dave K. and I are considering the use of "Dupont Spinners."

After I get some of these whatchamacallit flies tied up on the 1.5" brass tubes from The Fly Shop and sink the whole thing with that new 400 gr. Big Boy head those springers better hide. <g> For that matter, so had Fred until I learn how to handle the line. <VBG>

05-30-2002, 11:10 PM
a Aid Car for a back up.

This I'm willing to sit on the beach with a good Jere E. cigar and watch ..... from well back on the beach .... behind a bolder.

John Desjardins
05-31-2002, 08:34 AM
Hal, thanks for the response. I was a bit surprised no one answered earlier. Everyone must be fishing.

The meal worms get used here for ice fishing/trout as well. I never used them, something about them never seemed right.

Fred instead of the side scanning sonar how about using an Aquaview camera to see how Avids fly swings throught the pool from a safe distance. :devil:

05-31-2002, 09:00 AM
'opportunities' for filming this weekend. I inspected the river from a "prone position" on Saturday (Dave was not about at the time. But that's my second time in two weeks.); he thought he could get a better view of the river bottom in a similar position on Monday.

Couldn't get to my camera fast enough to record it for postarity.:devil:

Interesting how wet you can get even in knee deep water if you put your heart into it.:eek:

John Desjardins
05-31-2002, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by fredaevans
Interesting how wet you can get even in knee deep water if you put your heart into it.:eek:

In the words of a Tv commercial "Been there, Done that" :hehe:

But seriously I was joking about this camera. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jhtml?id=0012049014765a&navAction=jump&navCount=3&indexId=&podId=0012049&catalogCode=IC&parentId=&parentType=

05-31-2002, 11:58 AM

Thats an awesome camera, maybe good for spotting fish in a clear lake, but not practical for our spring fed clear rivers out here. Don't know how I could carry that on stream with rod and vest etc.. Would have to have a full time fish spotter with me running it, and I prefer to be alone, alot when I am out there. My eagle eyes, good polaroids, and 20 years of river knowledge is all I need to find the steelhead and salmon when they are in from the big lake. They are so large they can be seen if you know what to look for and where. Finding smaller stream trout is lot more difficult. The DNR departments will have to adapt electronic device usage regulations soon, I suspect.


Sounds like you took a cold wet bath in the Rogue, been a long time since I had one myself, knock on wood etc... They are ok in the summer time but dangerous in winter conditions. You have more trecherous wading out there than us, but the Muskegon is very similar to big western river with fast currents and many slippery rocks and boulders etc....


05-31-2002, 12:18 PM
Rogues an interesting river; botton from one area to another is like night and day. One place you could go in with 'sneakers' on in "perfect safety." But 99% of the time you're well advised to have studded felt bottom boots.

A couple of places I'll actually shift to Stream Cleats. Like dancing on waxed glass.:eyecrazy:

John Desjardins
05-31-2002, 12:54 PM
Hal, I agree that the camera is not practical for fishing use on streams. It would be a great way to study what your presentation looks like to the fish. I can think of other uses that are best left unsaid.

05-31-2002, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by John Desjardins
Fred instead of the side scanning sonar how about using an Aquaview camera

Thanks for the heads up on the camera. I am going to have North River factory install it on the new jet sled. <g>


05-31-2002, 07:22 PM
Please end this thread, how did we go from maggot flies to underwater cameras :confused: :confused:

Wait till nrthfrk16 sees this :whoa:

05-31-2002, 08:08 PM
properly prepared for 'life' by our parents.:confused:

Actually, love how some of these threads change course. Keeps me coming back for mental "coffee breaks" several times per day (and you too, so go ahead and admit to it:devil: )

Collectively, "fisher-people" can be an interesting lot; don't post much to any other board but darn glad these folks are here. Some of the others ...... what can you say, "it's a free country."

05-31-2002, 08:25 PM

Yes I agree, I drop in every once in a while during the business day, for a mental coffee break from the corporate world that can be so frustrating at times. Very educated people that can not get simple things done at times etc...

Well into the 900+ posts zone now and hope the quality of the converstations continue. Some of those other boards are can quite ridiculous at times.

I think that Maggot fly was designed based upon this one I just found below which the Canucks game up with, got from a BC board, Close isn't it, us great lakes fishers got all of our bad habits from the PNW I think, you know where slinkies, wobble glows, drift boats, jet sleds, and floats were engineered well before they were used out here:

05-31-2002, 10:41 PM
guys from the Mid-West get your 'inspiration???' I think you and the 'wife-type' have got to re-locate out here where people actually wave at each other, stop and let you out of a drive way at BugerKing, etc, and etc.:eek: Ya, I'd love to have you stay with us will you find your new home. Not there yet, but 'retirement' out here has major benifits .... mental health. :>)

Corporately, the farther "east" I go the farther from reality the "management" seems to get. Is it the water, or are they drinking very bad booze?:devil:

06-01-2002, 01:15 PM

Mid westerners are very friendly I can tell you, particularly compared to the east coast where I grew up. Much more friendly here they do not even beep their horns in traffic jams or at you to often. Even the toll booth collectors wish you a good day when you are the 1,000th car they have given change to that day. Yes upper midwest great lakes is a good part of the country even without the great fishing !:smokin: :smokin:

You should see our public golf courses and world class sports oriented city. Ahhh two more weeks and my youngest son starts football summer camp for the Richards Bulldogs as a freshman following in his brother's legacy. One of the top public school programs in the state, check out the accomplishments below. When teams come to play us it is like playing Notre Dame. They have not lost two games back to back in 15 years !! Steelhead fly fishing, golf, and high school football are my passions these days.

Life is good, :hehe: :hehe:


06-01-2002, 05:53 PM
are your 'friends' over there the proof needed to confirm there is a 'hell.'

06-01-2002, 07:02 PM

I never talk about my work colleagues on weekends only during the week.

I found another PNW original, a fly that will imitate the pink plastic worm our BC colleagues have engineered. Gives me some ideas for another fly for here. You know they catch steelhead off the pier heads into lake michigan dangling a big nightcrawler off of a boober about 5 feet down. Bet that wiggling crawler drives them crazy and they just have to smash it.

Here it is. think I need versions in brown,black, purple, and pink out here: what do you think ? :smokin: :smokin: