: Trip planning
05-01-2002, 05:14 AM
Being a newbe it see me that the most critical part of a yak outing is in the planning stage. Have read many guide books its important to know when to launch and return. This is most evident durning a moon tide. My question is and I know it depends on the trip, do you come in on*the high and leave with the low? I would think you would want to do this . The window for fishing then becomes rather small if you don't fish out of the yak.
I solved this via "unconventional" yak...
This is why I opted for a feather-light, small inflatable yak. That and my love of the bayside flats. If the yak is light enough to carry for long distances then it expands the time frames dramatically. It pretty much eliminated all of these timing considerations. I most likely increased my susceptibility to wind though, but since I am not using this as a trekking yak I can probably just get out and walk back to the truck. I won't be making any open water crossings, this is purely a flats shuttle.
Paid my dues...
I used to lug a 16 foot fiberglass canoe to fish the bayside flats for years. It extends the fishing time a lot but it's too much for one to carry. It is also difficult to get into once you have stayed on the outer shoals too long - but that's where all the big cows hang out. I learned my lesson from these excursions.
But to answer your question...
You are best to go out with a tide and ride the flood back in. The earlier you start, the less you have to worry about dragging or lugging. The later you return, same. And then there's wind.
By choosing an area that has a channel w/ flow thru the low, you will be able to reduce or eliminate the drag factor. This can backfire if you hope to return during the outgoing tide, the currents will multiply your effort returning to port.
Typically, the more you want to fish the flats, the more you dry sand you face. Therefore the ideal location to launch would be a channel right next to a parking lot that holds water thru the low with slow current speed on the outgoing that leads out via a short paddle to some great flats where you can get out and get in the yak easily. When you find that place, please let me know ;)
In the mean time I have a suspicion I will be quite content with throwing my inflatable over my shoulder and high-tailing it out to the Blue Hole across .5-1 mile of sand, way more than I would care to drag.
I refrain from keeping a 20# bass out there because of the drag back to the truck, never mind a 80# boat :devil:
05-01-2002, 06:36 PM
Fishhawk (Bill, right?),
How much for the cart with the balloon tires you were talking about in the other thread? Seems that cart would be just the ticket for the bayside flats. As far as launching in the area Juro's talking about, I took a cursory look last year at the western end and figure midway through the drop would leave a reasonable portage.
05-02-2002, 04:56 AM
Yes Fred its Bill. The Cart cost about $169 here is their web address www.roleez.com and phone # 1-800369-1390. This the top of the line of yak carts would be the answer. Thanks Juro for the advice on trip planning. I think the cart is answer to all the dragging. I will get one as soon as I save up for one. There are plenty of cheap carts out there but they don't have the ballon tires. Saw one a Charles River Kayak in Newton which might fit the bill. FishHawk
05-02-2002, 11:19 AM
Here's another one.
05-03-2002, 04:59 AM
Thanks Fred this could be the answer to dragging the yaks across the sand. I would rather be in a yak than an inflatable because of its speed and storage capacity. Should be an interesting season. Hope to see you on the water for a yak clave FishHawk
Draggin' only happens when you're on a big shoreline flat and the hot fishing is "out there". If you launch at mid-tide and pull at mid-tide it's no big deal to get to water. Makes for a nice long 1/2 day of fishing, but the point is time controls that convenience.
Also, there are spots where access to the channel is at your feet thru the tide all over the coast. A good example is the Barnstable Harbor public launch, which is never completely dry. River mouths and estuaries are options but there's more to it than just water...
Constrictions (channels) that hold water thru a low tide often have a hard current through the tide changes that influences your departure/return times as well.
This is where one needs the "serious" kayak - to slice against the currents. I watched a kayakker motoring up toward the ramp at a major outlet last year during the heat of the ebb making only a fraction of the strokes that a western drift boat would have made. I would turn my head and he'd be 100 yards further up, reaching the ramp with what appeared to be little difficulty. Although I love to hype the unconventional wisdom of my yak toy, it will not have the current slicing ability of a 'real' kayak, of course. You'd have to carry it in a raging current (but then you could).
Over time, we will all learn where the structure holds water with negotiable current during the tide changes, and learn where the channels hold water within easy reach of the shore on inshore flats.
Last year at Saint's Landing there was a channel that stayed floatable far into the ebb and flooded right away on both sides of the main clam flat leading out to the Blue Hole. The channel on the east side is obvious, but the one on the west side was hard to follow standing at sea level and was marked with a milk jug mooring.
If these channels are still there after mother nature's winter shuffling, they would allow drag-free launching out to the smokin' outer shoals to within a couple hours of the low on anyday except extreme minus lows.
Consequently these channels are full of fish as soon as the water gets high enough to invite the bass down them particularly where the terminate at the shoreline. I've see more tailing bass at these channel terminals than any other identifiable structure, and way more tailing bass on the bayside flats than any other part of the cape.
05-03-2002, 07:01 AM
I love when you talk dirty, gets me warm and tingly. Been a lot of surmising on my part, thinking about how to go about using the yak in that area, without having a cardiac or throwin my back out. Guess the only way to figure it out is to do it.
A highlight for me last year was seeing the tailing stripers grubbing for sandeels at the shoal breach just west of Paines. Hooked one that went nuts on me in the combined shallow/swift running water. Broke me off eventually. I don't think it was any more than 28 or 30", but what a kick.
Come to think of it 95% of all the tailers I've ever seen were on the bayside flats. I agree, they are H-O-T when hooked in their little nervous hunting forays into the shallows. I love the bayside.
Since there is little to no chance of overcrowding in this situation, here's a killer access that I was letting Penguin onto the other day... GRAYS landing (coincidence intended). It's on the East Yarmouth side of Bass Hole between Barnstable / Sandy Neck and Chapin Beach. You just take the turn off 6A and there's the ramp. The channel does not dry up thru the low tide although it does get very skinny once the outlet fans out over the shoals between Bass Hole and Sandy Neck. Make no mistake the current makes navigation against the current difficult but there will be no drag involved and if you time the tide for outgoing departure and incoming arrival you will have zero drag and smooth sailing in both directions. This was a favorite canoe launch point for me in the past, but the chances of paddling back to the ramp during the outgoing were slim to nil for me when alone in a 16ft canoe. Working with the tides in a yak would be a piece of cake.
There are a lot of insider spots I will save for outings, if you're interested just show up.
Hey guys ,How fast are ya talking.I ahve been doing alot of River yakking down here and have been paddling some pretty fast water without to much of a problem.The worst day was 40 mph wind in your face and a 5-6 mph current.Most spots have eddys ,backcurrents and breaks that you can use to make progress and take a rest.Thats one of the reasons I bought the Tarpon was for a easy paddle thru that stuff.