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: Wire Leaders


Roop
04-05-2002, 12:27 PM
I've been thinking about pre-rigging a few flies with wire leaders.

Traditionally I've just used a figure 8 to tie to the hook eye and a huffnagle for wire to mono, doubling the wire and wrapping the mono.

Any other suggestions?

Roop

steelheadmike
04-05-2002, 12:32 PM
I use Sevelor wire and use the basic Clinch knot. No trouble with it slipping so far.

Dble Haul
04-05-2002, 12:48 PM
Jeff- Check out this link that describes constructing a leader system for European pike.

http://www.globalflyfisher.com/staff/verhaar/pike/tippets.php

I think that this method may have some universal appeal and could be used for nearly any toothy critter.

RayStachelek
04-05-2002, 10:32 PM
Jeff

Your right on with the figure "8" knot, especially if you use the coated wire. Many fishers will try other knots to tie the wire to the hook eye. I myself have found that one of the problems with using wire being that if the link between the wire leader and hook eye is not correct, the fly does not ride correctly. The fly seems to tip to one side or the other.

As a rule of thumb, use the lightest wire possible for the type of fishing you are do'in. Make the wire leader as short as possible. This will minimize the lose of fly movement and still give you a chance to catch a striper even though bluefish are your intended target. If strickly bluefish, increase to six inches.

Most all my wire leaders are four inches long. In fact my favorite are the ones from Orvis. They are called retwistable haywire bite guards. Expensive at 6@ $15.00. Pre-rig them with disposable flies and you're all set to make a quick change.

Jeff... Here's a secret bluefishing tip brought to you by The fly Fishing Forum.

Several years ago I made a startling discovery. Using a 6X longer shank hook, like a Tiemco 911 worked wonders on reducing break-offs from toothy fish. Tie your fly tarpon style. and leave the front half bare. Tie three or four like this just for bluefish applications. What was neat, the fly lost very little action and the fish could never get to the leader as quickly. Don't let these other charter fly guys know this

Hawkeye
04-08-2002, 11:04 PM
I used 39lb flouro with very good results last season. I even fooled the bonito with it. I still had some cuttoffs but not many and you don't get the kinking problem after a fish or two.

juro
04-08-2002, 11:15 PM
Roop -

In addition to improved fig-8, careful clinches, and perfection loop-over knots - if you are thinking of pre-rigging, try an up-turned eye (Gamakatsu for instance) and a snell. Snell works great with wire but requires an up-turned eye. No kink from the knot whatsoever.

I can show you a fast hand-snell next time if you are interested.

jared
04-09-2002, 09:48 AM
Or....you can get short (4") leaders from bluewater designs that
come w/ a small snap swivel...that way you can take off the abused fly after a few blues and snap on another....striblue
just outbid me to pick up their small stretcher which is a great
way to keep the pre-rigged flies for blues IMHO.

--jared

striblue
04-09-2002, 10:28 AM
That's right Jared... That's what I wanted it for.. I think it will fit nicely in the back pocket of my vest and ready to put on the line... I need to work on a way of rigging it that is the easiest... But it does hold 24 flys, I think. A good value and can be home made I would think. Also.. A 6 fly one would even be better for carrying around and might even fit in a front vest pocket.. I will post a picture of it tonight and might solicit ideas from those capable in making a smaller one.

jared
04-09-2002, 11:02 AM
John,

they work well...have one that lives on the boat...you'll want to
buy the leaders though (or make some)....the bungees it comes with are too long, so you'll want to shorten those up.

-j

Bob Pink
04-09-2002, 01:52 PM
Although I like the wire used on the BlueWater wires I hate the 'snap'. I lost 4 - 5 fish two seasons ago where that snap opened. I relplaced them with a small size but more tradional snap (coastlock I think) with good success...

jared
04-09-2002, 02:02 PM
Bob --

I did the same...the snaps they provide suck.

--j

Roop
04-09-2002, 02:49 PM
Thanks guys.

I think I'll stick with my current set-up as I have not tied any flies yet this winter (it's still winter isn't it?) to snell a few of them.

And while I'm sure the hard connectoin with a snap is a great time saver, it doesn't fit into my personal view of the necessary compicated knots to make it REALLY fly fishing.

See you on the water.

Roop

RayStachelek
04-09-2002, 03:18 PM
Jeff -

You suck all our brain cells coming up with viable solutions to this problem, than you pull a Gilda Radner... and say, "Never Mind."

What's up with that!~~ :razz:

Roop
04-10-2002, 01:16 PM
It seems that all the SNL references I could make are most probably inappropriate.

The last thing I want to do is to insult someone from the same ethnic line as the beautiful blond haired girl of my childhood... Donna Wieczorkowski.... ahhh beauty personified....

Anybody know a girl of that name from Pittsburgh PA?

Anyway Ray, you know I'm just trying to learn as much as possible, maybe this year we'll break our curse & I can take you up on one of your offers some time. Then I'll steal as much info as possible from YOU.:devil:

Thanks all, no snub intended.

After Capt. Andersons tuna talk at CCA last night, I'm now going to try heavy mono & fluoro as bite tippets.

Hawkeye, what knots do you use?

Slugs & hisses,

Roop

Hawkeye
04-10-2002, 03:48 PM
I use the improved clinch knot. Make sure you moisten (spit) the knot before you cinch it up. I may try the uni knot this year as it is supposed to be better for slick lines.

jared
04-10-2002, 04:30 PM
the uni is NOT a 100% knot...fwiw

striblue
04-10-2002, 09:52 PM
Jeff, here is a picture of the streacher I got at the UFT auction for $15 bucks. I have not had a chance to rig it yet but I wanted you to see the size. I placed my hand to give you some perspective... as you see it can fit nicely in a back portion a wading jacket without bulk