03-20-2002, 01:13 PM
I love to tie flies. Depndding on my mood, Ii can tie up some really nice flies (depending on if I'm tying a hard fished fly or just a nice to look at fly). Hence my swap flies for the AS and Steelhead swaps were easy pattern to be fished hard without worry of losing.
Here's my frustration. Ii've always wanted to tie a nice hairwing AS fly. Sat down and put a design in my head and started to create it. Just something simple. GP crest for butt, silk body, some hackle aand guinea, a Amherst wing, and a gP crest overlay. Looked great all the way up to tehfinal touches of Amherst and GP crest. Fly crunched down. Mman, I retied that fly llike 8 times and finally gave up. SHEESH. It loked SOOOOOOOOO good with up to point of trying to get tthat last GP crest on. How do you guys do it???? I'd really love to see a full dressed salmon fly be tied. Ii spent a good solid 2 hours tying that fly (mind you it wasn't as technical as some of those AS flies) and was disapointed I cuoldn't get it to finalzation.
Ii have so much respect for you guys. I can tie up a wicked hairwing (ask Doublespey), but am iin awe over featherwing creaters. Hhats off to you all.
03-20-2002, 08:09 PM
Feather wings have not touched yet. But they are on the list.
I like to tie flies I will fish and not be afraid of losing.
AS hairwing patterns are a little more difficult than most steelhead patterns but then again they are very similar.
Will be sending the AS flies out this weekend.
Need the pattern instructions for the "Blue Bayou"
BTW, I conversed with another forumn member who has fished the Niagara Gorge and yes I guess there are some Atlantics in there which have been stocked in Lake Ontario. Also could have been a lake run brown as they look very similar to the atlantics.
05-03-2002, 10:51 AM
hairwings vs. married feather or whole feather or built wings...
the married wings and crest topping take practice, like anything else. a solid foundation is imperative. one of the best books i think you can get is Dr. T.E. Pryce-Tannat's original How to Dress Atlantic Salmon Flies. there have been a couple of reprints since the 1914 original, the latest in 1977. the book is readiliy available from bibliofind.com (amazon.com). the 1977 book is denigrated by an additional section of vastly inferior "modern" flies, tied by who knows whom. One very valuable aspect of the book is that it teaches one how to tie without a vise, which offers some very significant advantages, if you are willing to give it a try.
Michael Radencich's book is also very very nice, some beautifully tied flies, adn good instructional material.
A great way to learn is to attend a workshop. there is an active community of full dress tiers in the pacific northwest. i had the opportunity to learn from derek brown, who is an extremely gifted (world class) full dress tier. he had a ratty old first edition of pryce-tannat's book he carried around with him, all falling apart, which he would reference frequently.
to me, nothing matches the incredible marriage of colors of a full dress fly in the water. the time on the fly takes a while, and i don't recommend dredging with them; although intermediate tips and greased line presentations are ideal. it was a thrill to catch several large salmon in russia on a full dress jock scott, and the steelhead like them too!
05-05-2002, 06:10 PM
Unfortunately they didn't have the book in the bibliofind. Dang it. I'll keep my eyes open. I'd love to tie a full featherwing fly. I'm a hands on type guy. Once I learn it I can usually reprocate it easily. But have to actually see how it's done vs. look in a book.
Will keep my eyes peeled.
Hey Hal, yeah, I thought I may have been losing my mind. It could've been a sea run Brown, I've seen pictures and they look quite similar. I'll just take it as an AS and call it that. :D
05-05-2002, 06:25 PM
Probably was an AS, read the post Juro put in the new Great Lakes section, tells all about Lake Ontario AS which were native to it at one time. They have been trying to restock them for a 100 years with out much success. Consider your self a very fortunate man catching one in your short visit there.