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: ROGUE RIVER REPORT .... finally something to talk about.


fredaevans
02-25-2002, 05:05 PM
Latest numbers for the upper-upper Rogue are as follows:

Inflow to Lost Creek dam: 3000+ cfs, out flow at 710 cfs (so top mile or so is still very low water) at 40.3 degrees. Trail, Elk, Big and little Butte creek are still dumping a bit of water from Friday nights downpour but river is running clear, and dropping, all the way to Grants Pass and below.

Fish count as of last week was a little over 500 fish through the counter at Gold Ray dam (just north of Medford) as of 2-22-02 the number had jumped to 2901!!!!! fish. "They're herrrrrrreee!!!"

Off to take a 'late lunch.'


:devil:

fredaevans
03-13-2002, 07:26 AM
Rogue is open year round, and usually has a some part of a run of fish going monthly. About the only really 'dead' time (assuming you don't want to just fish for trout) is July- August.

River is running low and clear with over 6,000 winter fish above Medford. Very small flys on long leaders is the best recommendtion. Seattle is a tad too far for just a weekend trip (8hrs by car one way) but toss in a couple extra days, share the drive ........

You can 'keep' three clipped fish per day, or two clipped and one native (max. native fish is 5 per year).

And 'down here' we don't cut trees to block access roads. (Sidebar: that info on the Sauk post just makes me shake my head. Lived in Washington for many years and I remember this kind of stupidity going on back in the 60's and 70's)

fredaevans
03-18-2002, 04:39 PM
Well the "official count" of fish as of 3-11-2002 is 6,728 fish through the counter. Given this number is a week old, pretty safe to assume that it's over 7,000 fish in the top 30 miles at this point.

Still low clear water (dam guys say they've increased the flow to 1035 cfs, but as of yesterday afternoon I'd have to say "I'll take your word for it."

But lots and lots of fish to go play with ...... even if I did get 'skunked' Sunday afternoon. :razz:

TMW
03-21-2002, 01:51 PM
Fred,

I am going to a wedding in Grants Pass at the end of April. What type of fishing would I found on the Rogue near there at that time? Thanks for any info.
Tight Lines
Tom

fredaevans
03-21-2002, 04:27 PM
Tom,
There will still be a hell of a lot of steelhead in the upper river at the end of April, but the vast bulk will be well above Grants Pass (which is 30 miles 'downstream' from Medford). However, by then there should be a fairly substantial number of Spring Kings up in that area.

Sooooo, either drive to the top of the river (would be about a 45-50 mile drive) or check back with me on the location of the Kings.
Fred

fredaevans
03-22-2002, 04:02 PM
As of 3-17-2002 the official count above Medford was just short of 7,700 winter fish. The Spring Kings are starting to move up the lower river so they've kicked up the dam out-flow to 1617 cfs. And it looks like it! Bring your sink-tips!!!

With the water flow going from 700 to 1600 cfs in a little over a week this will pull the fish up to the top end of the river fast, as well as spread the little buggers out.

For the Spey Clinic guys who will be fishing before-after head up towards the top end of the river; bulk of fish will probably be in the top 10 miles.
:smokin:

fredaevans
03-27-2002, 01:51 PM
Outflow from dam is 1855 cfs at 43.9 degrees (couldn't be better!) Official fish count as of 3-21-02 over Gold Ray dam (just north of Medford) is 9,094 in upper river. Game Guys say real count as of today is closer to 9,500 fish.

So if you Clinic Guys don't get into some fish, it's not because you didn't have the 'opportunity.':eyecrazy:

pmflyfisher
03-27-2002, 02:34 PM
Please no more fish counts it looks like a hatchery fish farm to me, they all the hatchery steelies and anglers up below the hatchery run as I have read for the grand harvest.

We have about four scenarios like that, which I avoid at all costs.
They would kill me if I went in there with my fly set up if you know what I mean.

Have a great time this weekend !!:devil:

fredaevans
03-27-2002, 10:53 PM
More 'people' live within 10 miles of you than live in all of southern Oregon. (Total state population is about 3.5 million; most of which live in the Portland-Salem I-5 strip)

Most of the fish are natives, good chunk of hatchery fish, but truth be told, my 'clipped' vs. non-cliped fish is natives 5 to 1. You have more folks within 50 feet of your office than I'll see on the river the whole weekend.

Ya, there's a price to pay .... a given "job" in your area will pay 3-4 times as much. But the payback is ...... there's nobody on the river, which is 15-30 minutes away. All "life" has a price tag; just a question of what you're willing to give up. Perhaps this is why we have so many retired Californians living in our area.:confused:

pmflyfisher
03-28-2002, 06:58 AM
Fred,

Yes I know the situation. Lived in South Bend Indiana for 7 years which is about a 150,000 people. Had the Michigan and Indiana rivers and lakes virtually to my self most of the time due to the under population.

Economically though a risky place to be should the economy turn down or you lose your job. Looking at an immediate location for the most part. Wife wanted to go back home to Chicago and it was time for me to move on. Chicago as you know has a huge economic base and major corps, etc. So now I have to drive 1 hour for some steelhead fishing, 2 hours for good fishing, 3-4 hours for great fishing.

Such are the trade offs in life.

Hal

fredaevans
03-29-2002, 02:48 PM
in a sniff short of 60 years is you can put a price tag on almost anything. Life is just a series of choices, most of which you get right ..... if you understand the 'price tag' thing.

But I'll rub it in anyway: as of 3-28 official (a real count) there are now just short of 11,500 winter steelhead in the river above Medford. Water flow out of lost creek dam at 1917 (they up the flow at this time of year to pull up the 10's of thousands of Spring Kings that come up to our end of the world - last two years over 33,000 fish/yr) at a river temp of 44.6 degrees.

Predicted weather for the weekend is mid-70's, sunny and warm.


War is hell!:smokin:

fredaevans
04-05-2002, 01:24 PM
As of midnight 4-8-2002 out flow from Lost Creek dam is 2608 cfs (and God does it look like it! Places we were standing on dry rocks are now under 2 feet of water).

3-28-2002 steelhead count is 13,740; No spring Salmon through the counter yet but understand "substantial numbers" of them are already as high as Rainie Falls (about 30 miles down stream from Grants Pass). This high water (still gin clear) will pull the salmon up fast, but until they cut the flow to something closer to 2000 cfs, nothing short of a rocket assisted fish will get past the falls.

Fred

fish-head
04-05-2002, 11:09 PM
Ok Fred you are killing me with those report's ......Call me with you stick a Sammy .....Fish-Head

fredaevans
04-08-2002, 07:44 PM
Well, the river was running at over 2700 cfs this weekend which required me to go to 'feather bricks' and even a lead core sinking head to get to the bottom in most places. Did hook a couple of small fish, no size to either.

Water flow as of Monday was cut to 2507 cfs, which will help fishing alot. A couple of hund. feet per second make a lot of difference as the Rogue is not a wide river. Steelhead count as of 3-30-2002 was 14,871; no salmon reported in the count yet but they should be showing up shortly (e.g. getting past Rainie Falls below Grants Pass) with the reduced flows.

fe

pmflyfisher
04-08-2002, 09:27 PM
Well, the river was running at over 2700 cfs this weekend which required me to go to 'feather bricks' and even a lead core sinking head to get to the bottom in most places[QUOTE]

Fred,

What are "feather bricks" it is a term I am not familiar, with is that something like a slinkie, and lead core isn't that an environmental risk. Are you sure those fish counts are accurate, sounds like a lot of fish to me.

I will have to send you some of my new cone head sparrow nymphs, they sink like a veritable stone.

Hal

fredaevans
04-08-2002, 11:41 PM
I'll take those flys!!!

A 'feather brick' is at least a #2, or larger, hook heavily wted and tied in a small pattern. Idea is to get the bugger to sink like a rock, as fast as possible, and stay there as long as possible. Rogue's not a wide river 95% of it's length so water flow over 2200 cfs out of warm spings dam (remember all the other feeder streams/rivers are adding to this) gets things out of hand.

The Salmon drift rod guys at 2500, and over, are using 3/4 to 2 oz lead sinkers to get to/stay on the bottom in the salmon pools. Gives you an idea why so few are hooked with a fly rod from the beach. From a boat you can use a heavy full sinking line and swing back and forth in front of the lay water (some fun?????).

Well the only good news is they cut the flow back some early today; hopefully more tomorrow.

To give the guys at the Clinic an idea of what's its like now vs. a week ago most of the gravel bars you were standing on are now under two to three feet of water.:rolleyes:

Forgot to add: the fish counts are actually very accurate. They video tape the fish ladder(s) at Gold Ray Dam just north of Medford. Guy sits there 4-6 hours a day fast forwarding the tape with a counter going "click, click, click." Guy (new fellow as the lady who used to do the job retired last fall) is ex-hatchery- simi retired fellow so he knows his fish.

fredaevans
04-09-2002, 11:48 AM
Thought I might have called in for "the numbers" a day early. 4-1-2002 Steelhead count 15,645 (up almost 800 fish in two days) AND our first two Kings over the dam. (800-472-2434)

Given we're almost into mid April I'm sure that at least 50%+ of these fish have spawned and are heading back down stream for the Pacific. But even so, that's still a hell of a lot of 'finny friends' out there.

On the Kings the Oregon Game dept is predicting another bumper crop year (past two have had over 33,000 swimming by Medford). Bad news is the Coho count is going to be the pits again this year. Suspect we'll have a take three per day on the Kings (although, what the heck would you do with all that meat?) and a very limited season on the Coho. Interesting thing on the Coho numbers - if I caught this right on tv this morning - is the native run is doing fine, it's the hatchery fish numbers that have taken it in the 'high seas' shorts.
fe

pmflyfisher
04-09-2002, 04:04 PM
Fred,

Oh OK I understand now. Sounds like you need a chuck n duck fly set up to dredge the bottom in those types of flows, if you like I will send you all of my great lakes slinkies now that I am a purist steelhead FF again.

(Well I might keep a couple in my vest just in case I get really desparate to get down to the buggers)

:devil: :devil:

Send me a couple of BBBs and I will send you a some of my new weighted nymphs.

Later

fredaevans
04-09-2002, 06:45 PM
I'll pop some BBB's and Otis Bugs to you in the mail. Any hook size preference?
Fred

pmflyfisher
04-09-2002, 10:56 PM
Fred

Will send via e-mail.

The smallest size you can tie, oh well lets say an 8.

Otis Bug what is that ?

Hal

fish-head
04-09-2002, 10:59 PM
Fred it was an excellent run on them last year . You just need to change your tactic's for them ... Like when you Caught me at Chief hole . Come on November .... But first we will chase the Summer's first . Oh by the way here is my Report in Lovely San Jose , Air Brown , WATER WELL ??????? The great thing You and Nate really know how great you guy's have it .:)

chromer
04-09-2002, 11:06 PM
Hal, maybe if you tied on some real fly sizes you'd never have to pull those slinkies out of your vest? ;)

Just kidding but do all you the Great Lakes guys on this BB fish tiny nymphs and slinkies too?


Originally posted by pmflyfisher
Fred

Will send via e-mail.

The smallest size you can tie, oh well lets say an 8.

Otis Bug what is that ?

Hal

fredaevans
04-10-2002, 01:28 AM
the Otis (which Andy Zwan aka fish-head intro'ed me to) are usually run in a two fly set ups. # 4's followed by a 6, or a #6 followed by a # 8.

Anyway, can tie either/both up in each size you'd prefer. Both are 'no brainers' to tie; 4 of either tied to the tune of a double single malt. Shoot me the e mail on what you'd like.
:hehe:

JDJones
04-14-2002, 01:06 PM
Fred,

Being the type that could care less what is going on outside my own little world, morning TV has never really appealled to me. But,,,,,,,you get river reports on morning TV? Do tell. I may become a convert. Now if only we had rivers down here.:chuckle:

P.S. Paula says as long as I'm not working, I may as well go fishing. Need some company?

Nate Bailey
04-14-2002, 02:48 PM
jd
I would take you around here on the weekends. the river is real high and I dont see it coming down anytime soon, but there still are alot of fish, yesterday fred had one bust his fly off on the take, the river has warmed so the fish otta start takeing swingers...........Nate

pmflyfisher
04-14-2002, 03:56 PM
If you want me to field test them in Michigan I need them by next Saturday. Will be in Michigan the following week for trout and steehead.

Sixe 6 and 8s are just right.

Will send you some of my new Hex nymphs after I field test them. These things look great, hope the steelies and big browns agree.

Hal

fredaevans
04-14-2002, 04:25 PM
On the river reports there's an 800 # that's updated daily on the inflow-outflow of the Rogue and Applegate rivers (800-472 2434). The fish count is usually updated weekly (they're behind the power curve on this as of a couple of days ago - last was 4-4-02) and broken down by major fish types. Steelhead count as of then was 16,700 and only 2 salmon.

However, I know the guides are actively fishing for/taking spring kings as close as Gold Hill which is only about 20 miles down stream from Medford.

A State parks guy did answer the WHY!!!???? question of the high river flow yesterday. The lake behind Warm Springs dam is quite large and, with two years of low snow pack conditions was very! low. Huge pack this year and it's coming down stream into the lake like gang-busters. The lake is now (per State guy) within 6 feet of the emergency spill way! It's either dump water like crazy or it will fill up the dam and spill on its own. Usual water dump at this time of the year is 2200-2400 cfs to pull the salmon up river. Due to inflow they're dumping 3200 cfs+.

Still large numbers of steelhead in the upper end of the river (especially in the area of the hatchery) but the high water (gin clear or no) is making it a tought go. Best bets are guys using single handers with indicators fishing within 30 feet of the bank. This you can do from the hatchery side, but other than McGregor and Casey parks there's just too much water for fly rodding at this time.

Should add single handers rather than spey rods due to the short casts necessary to keep flys working closer in in slower holding water. One guide guy we talked to yesterday (out with Nate B and Mike O'Brien) said he took 4 in an hour short lining just above the "old" deadline on the hatchery side.

Fred

fredaevans
04-14-2002, 04:31 PM
Have the 'otis bugs' alread done, the bbb's are even easier to tie. I'll be in Seattle Monday and Tuesday so send your address to Joan at jandfevans@aol.com.

She'll be primed to get them in to the mail for you.
Fred

Nate Bailey
04-15-2002, 02:55 AM
Fred
Tell Joan that Misty sympathises(sp) with her. life of a spey widow:p Misty has to go to the bank to pickup a casheers check for th reel that I got off vfs auction site, she is great about it though, and even went fishing with me today:cool: >>>>>>nate

Nate Bailey
04-15-2002, 02:57 AM
Andy you have to get your butt back up here , we have some cdc to collect this fall.....Nate

JDJones
04-15-2002, 01:01 PM
Don't like the high water scenario, but thats still better than what we have down here. (no water) :( Will have to look at my schedule and see what I can do about getting back up your way. Need to give Mike O'Brian a call also.

fish-head
04-15-2002, 09:08 PM
Nate . I plan on getting in at least 1 day this weekend .We haven't decided yet where we are going to chase them ? My buddy fished down in the bay last weekend , no fish , he heard of 3 caught down there .You boy's went and played at Pierce riffle yet ? They have been getting 4 to 5 a day below Savage though . Fish-head

JDJones
04-15-2002, 09:55 PM
With the water on the Rogue being as high as it is right now, any chance of there being any decent fly wqter in the tributaries? Any of the tribs big enough to use a Spey rod?

avid
04-15-2002, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by JDJones
With the water on the Rogue being as high as it is right now, any chance of there being any decent fly wqter in the tributaries? Any of the tribs big enough to use a Spey rod?

JD,

There are only a couple of tributaries that are open in winter, Illinois and Applegate and they are both closed as of March 31. I was considering the Umpqua for the weekend but the cfs graph there has the same vertical take-off as the Rogue.

JDJones
04-16-2002, 03:18 AM
Any idea what kind of shape the coastal rivers are in? Chetco, Coquille,etc? There must be some place up there where we can use our two handers.

Nate Bailey
04-16-2002, 03:59 AM
Andy Im on kid duty this weekend (the wife is working both days).
wish I could get out. ..........Nate

avid
04-16-2002, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by JDJones
Any idea what kind of shape the coastal rivers are in? Chetco, Coquille,etc? There must be some place up there where we can use our two handers.

Chetco Closed
Elk Closed
Sixes Closed
Winchuck Closed

Coquille Open, know nothing about the river.

fish-head
04-20-2002, 10:45 AM
JD , I watched 12 Springers go over the dam last night in a half hour . The river will be full of boats and bank fisherman soon . 2 were caught yesterday at the deadline . If are going to come up you will want to fish below the deadline about 3 miles . But next weekend is the opener for trout in the high mountain lakes . You can rent a boat at 1 of the lodges if you want ? The Rogue is still at 4,000 CFS . It will be dropping daily . Good luck .Fish-head

fredaevans
04-20-2002, 06:39 PM
They've shut off the dam again. Flow was down to Spey Clinic flow or just a bit above. You can use sink tips up to 200 grains or long line them with a dry line again. (The RIO 300 grain BigBoy was hanging up on the bottom in many areas) Folks at the Outdoor Store told me this afternoon he was talking to game guy and steelhead count is now approaching 19,000 through the counter.

I'm sure 2/3'rds of these have already headed back down stream but the river was in PERFECT CONDITION this morning when Dave Kelly (Avid1) and I were up-top. Expected so much water we actually (SHUDDER!) brought drift rods with us. They never came out of the car.:smokin:

So..... when does your plane get in?
:devil:

JDJones
04-20-2002, 06:58 PM
I am scheduled for a Lasik enhancement surgery 4-25 and exam 5-1. After that, and if all goes well, I am open till 5-17 which is the Sandy Clave.

BTW talked to Bruce Richards 4-18. (email)

"No, release is not a year away. The lines are nearly ready for production, should be complete in about a week. We will probably not have the proper packaging for them, but I'm sure few people care. You won't have to cut and splice your own, my goal is to have lines available for sale before the Sandy River event. Keep in touch, I'll give you updates."

"Bruce"

fredaevans
04-21-2002, 12:28 AM
down to Santa Rosa, CA for daughters Col. Graduation. She flys off on her first Europe trip on Monday. But other than that, any time you want ...... If you want to be here that weekend, just have to arrange for you to have a key to the house.

Don't forget to dust the top of the picture frames and sweep in the corners of the rooms. The French Maid's uniform I've got for you should be a perfect fit!:devil:

Crusty
04-21-2002, 10:18 PM
The Clackamas is very fishable right now. The Summers are in and the Chinook are here.

Crusty

fredaevans
04-22-2002, 12:05 PM
As of 4-21-02 the river inflow behind the dam had dropped to 2568 cfs so they've cut the outflow to 1540 cfs (PREMO flow for spey rods with 150-250 grain tips or long leadered dry lines. River temp at 44.8 degrees.

Fish count as of 4-14-2002 18,985 winter steelhead (remember 2/3's of these are probably on their way back to the salt). And only 116 spring kings through the counter. Couple of local guys say that the kings are packing up below Gold Ray dam (where the counter is located) so these numbers should increase expodentially over the next few weeks. Another comment caught my attention talking to the guys at the "Outdoor Store" in Medford. Given the huge number of fish through the counter the 'catch rate' has been way below expectations; this confirmed what I'd suspected.

However, below the Dam down through the waters below Grants Pass it has been bonkers for the past two or three weeks. Over the dam and the fish have gotten a good case of 'lock-jaw' even for the guide boats.

So even though I love the upper river looks like I'll (with the lower water again) start pounding the mouth of Evans Creek at the town of Rogue River (about 15 miles up I-5 from Medford). Have had great success there in the past when the water levels were reasonable as the fish stack up just below the mouth of the creek. You swing through the faster water with the drift ending up in a big pool. Rod jurks, and it could either be a winter run or a king so 15# leader is advised.

fe