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: Lessons Learned - 2001 Striper Season


juro
10-30-2001, 06:18 PM
It's a bit early for this thread but here it is anyway...


Things noted:

http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gif Big fish stayed on the bayside flats pretty much all season
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gif Early fishing in the inlets produced big fish consistently
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gif Flats were schmokin... I love them hard to get
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gif blues, blues, blues, everywhere
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gif August was better for bonito, but not great for albies and spanish macs
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gif Big girl happened, but she was a late bloomer this year
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I8.gif The Rip Trips never delivered like they did all last year
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I8.gif Although the spring thing on the North Shore was strong as usual, the mid-season was a no-show but...
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gif Late season action on the North Shore delivered again for those who went out and got some!
[#] To fish Rhody, go in September, stay in the Sand Dollar, and make sure you arrive 'yesterday'
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gif There is always a "secret spot" every year... and there always will be ;-)

Bob Pink
10-30-2001, 09:41 PM
There's no place like Chatham/Monomoy (repeat 100 times!)

FishHawk
10-31-2001, 04:40 AM
How critical the timing of the tide can be.
Cheap equipment (reels) will let you down when you when the fishing is hot.
Flats fishing lession*from Dave Pearson was awesome.
Try and find new waters to fish.
More kayak fishing.
Try and attend more claves.
That's it for me. I am still learning and trying to master the salt.
FishHawk

Nick
10-31-2001, 06:56 AM
When you sleep in the car, you are rewarded with HUGE fish!
Wait 20 seconds to strip, then wait 20 more.
Cast to ANYTHING that you think is moving.
Nothing beats time on the water.
Fish every time you can cause before you know it, its time for posts like these.

More later.

bcasey
10-31-2001, 07:01 AM
Flats and sight fishing at Monomoy CAN'T BE BEAT!!!, Thanks to Juro for the introduction to a season and an area that will be hard to beat as my best and most informative. And thanks to all the great friends I've made. You have all been a part of an incredible season. I've learned more than I can even think about right now, not enough time to reflect, I'll save that for the snowy days in January and February, And March, I'll save for bugging the hell outa you guys about how to handle the shack nasties attack. But, for now, I hear the ripple from the tail splash of a big redfish calling my name. Have a great Weekend everyone.
Your Friend,

Dble Haul
10-31-2001, 07:52 AM
:) Big fish can be caught on surprisingly small flies.

:) Sometimes stripers actually jump when hooked (this happened to me twice this year, and it wasn't on the hookset).

:( Circle hook flies are very tough to hook stripers. Learning to simply tighten up on the line vs. the conventional hookset is tough!

:) Circle hook flies are pretty reliable for bluefish, especially at night. This is probably because of their habit of slashing at flies so hard.

:) The coast of Connecticut has some pretty tough access, but not as tough as some would lead you to believe.

:) Rhode Island has so much to offer! This was my first season fishing the coast of the state, and I already have a laundry list of other spots that I want to hit.

:( Bonito and false albacore are fussy.

Can't wait for next year. :D

Mark

Lefty
10-31-2001, 09:02 AM
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gif High tide into outgoing at dawn rocks on the No. Shore
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I8.gifNight fishing on the No. Shore stinks (maybe not for Eel slingers)
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gifA 15 hp Merc (modern one) pushes a 14' tin boat like crazy
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I8.gifSquires is noisy on Friday nights
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I8.gifspeaking of Chatham, it's a real loooong drive from the No. Shore and evan longer when the catching is off
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gifThere are lots of boat ramps and shore access on the No. Shore if one wants to look hard
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/UB/Public/Images/Default/I9.gifThe web board reports have dried up this year due to people wanting to protect their spots. But the FFF continues to be a place where FFmen can exchange ideas and other useful information

Lefty

Roop
10-31-2001, 11:28 AM
You can learn a lot from anyone you fish with

Karma plays an important role

Is your hook sharp? - thanks Jim S

The number of fish you catch is in direct proportion to the amount of time your fly is in the water.

The fish are there, you're just not doing the right thing if you're not catching them.

You only really need 2, maybe 3, at the most 4 flies.

The world looks much better through polarized lenses.

John Desjardins
10-31-2001, 11:56 AM
I relearned this one. An infant in the house means much less fishing time than you would like.

jared
10-31-2001, 12:14 PM
something to ponder when the season is actually over....

--j

Adrian
10-31-2001, 01:44 PM
Sight fishing Stripers on the Flats is a blast .... 8)

Stripers will "Rise" to a sub-surface fly on a floating line 8)

The best fish of the day is the one you spook lying in inches of water as you jog along the shoreline to that "HotSpot" :(

The second best fish of the day is the one that sneaks up behind you on the flats ;)

Big Tides = Big Rips 8)

Must meet up with 'Dble Haul' and talk about fishing CT ;)

Dble Haul
10-31-2001, 02:55 PM
Adrian- Feel free to e-mail me or send me a private message. I've only fished the CT shore for two seasons, but have found some fairly reliable spots. As always, I'm open to the experiences of others, so if you know some spots, maybe we can compare notes.

Mark

FredA
10-31-2001, 05:43 PM
Things can be different in a location from year to year. Started scouting my favorite bayside area religously the first week of May 2000 - it was sterile until the end of June (at least when I was there). This year I stood among fish mid day in May and saw the same thing every time I returned through June. Just didn't return enough.

Sometimes you need a "thanks I needed that" slap in the face. Got one a couple of weeks ago when Juro pointed out some structure changes. Tiger stripes. Kinda like "throwing paint" or "flipping a meatball with a plastic fork" with respect to casting. You know and understand intellectually but not intuitively as you would by experience or just the right analogy.

Got to get rid of my loser fall run attitude.

Go with my instincts.

The root of my addiction is the concept of sight fishing.

and a bunch of other cliches'.

Mostly, I've got an awful lot to learn.

Fred A.

Eroach
11-01-2001, 11:16 AM
Try a fresh approach to fishing "unproductive" waters in your own "back yard."

jeffg
11-01-2001, 01:07 PM
let's see...

--work and fishing do not mix (repeat 100 times)
--I suck at bonito and albie fishing
--Thomas rods, while beautiful, break very easily
--Redington reels are still great, despite everything on the internet I read to the contrary
--geographic fisheries can change dramatically from season to season (esp. the west end of the canal and Boston Harbor)
--9 out of 10 times, fly color and style is irrelevant compared to general size, depth fished and retrieve technique
--a good fishfinder/depthsounder can be your best friend
--scup and seabass will readily take a fly
--friends who get married in landlocked locations during the peak fishing season are really not your friends
--I suck worse at meeting up with other fishermen on the water than I do at albie fishing
--I boat fish too much, although I consider it a necessary evil
--where is this Chatham place?
--bluefin tuna come VERY close to shore some years but are wiley
--this fall, on the whole, was windy and disappointing
--work sucks (i actually learned this lesson a long time ago, it's just worth repeating).
--the season is not over.
--I caught very few fish under 18" this year and it is a little disturbing.

Jeff

jborkowski
11-01-2001, 09:16 PM
hmmm...

[#]Fish with the Ninja and you will catch fish.
[#]Ditto FishHawk - Cheap equipment (reels) will let you down when the fishing is hot.
[#]Ditto Nick - Nothing beats time on the water.
[#]I like catching big fish and always want to catch a bigger one.
[#]Fishing the flats with fish all over the place - sans a single hit - is demoralizing.
[#]The sooner I purchase a house and flats boat in Chatham the better. (NOTE TO SELF: house must include accomodations for at least twelve with a large grill and cooler overlooking the water)
[#]JAWS actually does live in Chatham.
[#]I love the Honey-hole...even when I'm ill and feel like yuking in Juro's truck.
[#]I make a good rookie and probably will for many years to come.
[#]Too much work, not enough fishing. Too much work, not enough fishing.
[#]Old Doogue makes a killer sandwich, even though his Mrs. actually does all the making. Details...details. ;)
[#]I need to do more to support the Forum.
[#]I have too few rods to be an actual good fisherman (see How many flyrods do you own?)
[#]The safest way to fall into a rip is to fall in with Pete nearby.
[#]I am a shmuck for somehow managing to miss every friggin' clave.
[#]I'll likely never cast as well as I'd like.
[#]I am hopelessly addicted to this SWFF thing.
[#]This Forum and it's members kick a#!

striblue
11-02-2001, 09:29 AM
Jeff.. I had a long list yesterday just about things I remember and the computer shut down on me so I will try again. You hit on some of the things I remember.. This is more remember that learned.
- Fishing the mecca and Yaking with Juro, Roop, Nick and Pete
- Boating with Bpb pink and heavey rain
-Meeting FredA at the light House
-CHatham Anglers Club
- Chatham Light Hotel
- Rip Trip and 8 mile Hike
-Boating with Brendan O'Brien and Big Blues
- Boating with Todd Murphy and Jimmy
- The Spring Clave
- Old Doogue and Emeril Lagasi sandwiches
- All Nighter with Haweye try to get doen to Point Rip
- The secret Rip at the light house..telling others and watching Reno, Jack White ,PeteL, etc..hook up
-PeteG. saving a life
-PeteG Annoying me on South Beach by outfishing me.
- PeteL and Cuban Cigars.
-The Chatham Squire
-Ninja Flyfisherman
-No Waders all summer and fall
- Fishing Monomoy Flats
- Keith, Tom and Porky and the Rip Rider....

I will have more.. I am posting this before the work computer shuts me down

MarkDoogue
11-02-2001, 06:25 PM
*I learned that I have VOLUMES more to learn about fly fishing, from simple knots to tidal influences for the myriad of spots on the MA shoreline.

*The members of this forum are excessively unselfish when confronted with the "village idiot" flailing his fly rod. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.....

*Only flies with dumbbell eyes hit you in the back of the head while casting!

*Chuck&Duck + wind from the right = Chuck&Stuck

*Good things come to those who WAIT..........then strip.

*Whitewater kayaks are horribly inefficient in the ocean.

*CAC has more fly rods than most fly shops(and better coffee too).

*Fish don't just swim 80-100 feet from shore, they swim 10 feet in front AND 10 feet behind you as well.

*My brother can catch fish with his bare hands.

*Jeff Borkowski only catches large fish!

*Seal skulls smell like you wouldn't believe.

*Yemen can be a dirty, slippery place if you have short arms.

*Kirsten ties prettier flies than Mike does.

*If you think you have more energy than my father, you don't.

*Roop is a fishing machine.

juro
11-03-2001, 02:48 AM
Great list Mark!

Just to follow-up on the 'lesson learned' part of one of your comments (wind from the casting side)... a "crosswind" is a great reason to cast backhanded for the very reason you mentioned. In fact people who continue to cast on the favored side despite a crosswind are putting themselves at risk of permanent eye damage.

Two things that also help in this regard - polycarbonate eye protection and barbless hooks. But the best medicine is to keep the wind off your casting shoulder.

doogue
11-03-2001, 08:42 AM
And what a season it was...

Here goes:

The next time I hook a bonito I will set the hook a little harder.
Waders are really not meant for boat fishing.
Whitewater kayaks may be horribly inefficient when paddling in the ocean but they get you to the promised land.
Wait for Chatam Light to fully revolve 20 times and then strip.
Even in boats with sleek, flat and large decks I still prefer to use a stripping basket.
I always, always step on my line when casting from a boat (see note above).
Fish the current seams.
When you pull a few fish from a hot spot on the water, it is time to let someone else hook up.
I would rather see my Dad or my brother catch a cow that catch one myself (to a point!).
Blues can tail walk like tarpon.
EP fibers foul a lot - I do not like tying with them.
When a massive blitz unfolds and I am standing in the middle of the melee, it really helps if Roop is there to lend me flies (I still owe you some epoxy flies).
Getting married and going on a 2 week honeymoon during the fall run really does put a damper on your end of the season fishing.
Jeff Borkowski does not need sleep to function quite admirably.
When fishing the flats you need to lead the fish by 20 to 40 feet - not 10 feet. Let the current bring the fly right in front of the fish and you will hook up.
My Dad is one of the few people who will definitely get up with me at 2 AM if I want to go fishing.
Innovative flies (gitzit fly) should not be overlooked.
I should fish the North Shore more often.
You will not catch fish if you do not go fishing.
It is time for me to host a clave - and when announcing one it really helps to give people more
than 1 month notice.
It is great to get your brother addicted to certain things - like big fish.
The deep swing is a very effective technique.
The Esteys catch an awful lot of fish.
Thank God for a well placed tarp and a good tent - they can make or break your Boneclave experience.
You need to SOAK your reel after you use it - rinsing it thoroughly is not enough.
For me there is no sport, no hobby that is more satisfying than fishing. The enjoyment intensifies when fishing with members of this board.
I cannot thank Roop, Pete, Juro and Art Sawayer enough for the lessons that they taught me this season.
My casting improves dramatically when I actually watch my back cast.

I hope that you guys got into lots of big ones this morning. I will see you on the water in the Spring...

juro
11-04-2001, 08:28 AM
Couple more...

-> You can easily get hypothermia on a 90 degree day in 75 degree water. Limit the time you spend in water without something to prevent core temperature loss or better yet buy breathables and wear them. Do not drink alchohol or caffiene if you feel hypothermic (shivery but not cold, listless, shaky/shivery speech, unstable on feet, etc) but instead get out of the water and rest. Physical activity circulates cold blood from the extremities to the hypothalmus, brain, heart, and other core organs that are most important to keep warm. Hypothermia is better treated by core system warming than by blankets and such, and the artcile attached below lists inhalation warming as a highly effective technique. This involves breathing warm temperature air with moisture (like steam) for a period of time. Apparently insulation is not effective at recovering the core temps. http://www.hypothermia.org/hypothermia.htm

-> It's easy to get dehydrated. I now bring a minimum of 20 oz of water per half day when fishing during the summer. Yeah it's heavy to lug around but beats the heck out of getting bimini twists in your leg muscles and feeling like passing out, naseated, headaches, etc.

-> Even the thickest presence of greenheads can be fooled by standing in the water and in the wind away from land structures like high dunes that offer lee from the wind.

-> Seals will take sand eel flies. Flouro 12# can't stop a 600 lb seal. They aren't as smart as I thought. ;-)

-> Seals will eat schoolies right off your line. What pisses me off about it is that I ended up killing the schoolie indirectly.

-> Pack light on rip trips. You never know when you might have to make a l-o-n-g walk

Penguin
11-04-2001, 11:59 AM
......LIER CE BOUT A LA LIGNE DE FOND......
(attach this end to backing)
Unlike the federal regulations dealing with pillows and bedding, it's OK to take the little tag off a new line...

stevel
11-05-2001, 08:07 PM
I learned three things:

1. Fish a black maribu clousers with red eyes at night.
2. Always have enough black maribu clousers with red eyes at night.
3. See rules #1 and 2.