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: Where are things at regarding the Fall migration?


fliboy
09-12-2011, 05:24 AM
haven't been on much this season but it looks like I might have this coming Friday to fish. Was thinking of maybe headed to RI. Anything happening down that way? Are things still happening on the Cape?

Thanks

boatdrinks
09-16-2011, 07:53 AM
with this cold snap it should kick things into gear. Can't say much about rhody although I would imagine the hardtails should be pretty good there.

sickb4st4rd
09-16-2011, 10:03 PM
launching outta Rhody 7AM tomorrow, searching albies with IanCT.. will report back:)

with this cold snap it should kick things into gear. Can't say much about rhody although I would imagine the hardtails should be pretty good there.

boatdrinks
09-19-2011, 08:11 AM
sounds awesome man.

boatdrinks
09-20-2011, 08:01 AM
how'd you do?

sickb4st4rd
09-20-2011, 07:35 PM
how'd you do?

We boated only 1 albie, and Ian got it - his first - so happy for him. :mad: :mad: :mad:
We really fished hard for 9 hours running and gunning breaking albie schools - there were so many boats chopping up the schools on the rips that when they came up they cwent right back down again - you literally had a 5 second window to fire off a perfect cast or ... nothing. I had nothing short of about 16 good chances on at least 3 of those I hit 60-80 casts right in the middle of the school - and NO HOOKUPS! Frustrating to say the least...

We chanced upon some friends from upstate NY who launched at the very same time and they slayed, boated bass albies and blues. Wow.. what am i doing wrong. People like me why don't fish.

We cruised several flats and saw only several feet away some HUGE and I mean big bass, no hookups, very very spooky.

Man this fishin thing's hard work some days

FishHawk
09-21-2011, 04:25 AM
Running and gunning seldom works. I watched Armada Switzer a top NY guide fish for albies and she always got hook ups. What she did was watch the pattern of the albies and then set up her drift to intercept them. She did not run and gun to get the fish . It worked. However, as soon as she had a hook up several boats descended on her drift and put the fish down.
This is what I observed on the water. FishHawk

boatdrinks
09-21-2011, 08:00 AM
That can be extremely frustrating when you get abunch of boats working the same school like that. Sorry to hear you didn't get more, maybe the bass and blues are going to hang out on the Cape for a while?? We'll see how things shape up as the fall progresses.

Dble Haul
09-21-2011, 10:04 AM
Running and gunning seldom works. I watched Armada Switzer a top NY guide fish for albies and she always got hook ups. What she did was watch the pattern of the albies and then set up her drift to intercept them. She did not run and gun to get the fish . It worked.

Bingo.

The hard part is when you have clients on the boat who want to run and gun. The only thing that seems to quell that desire is hooking up while doing a few intercepting drifts as described above.

Heck, I rely on the runners and gunners to push the albies towards me. Sometimes cracking the code involves taking all parties (boats and fish) into account.

sickb4st4rd
09-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Running and gunning was our guide's choice, and him being one of the more respected and well known ones in the region, who was I to comment. Personally I thought it was a little nutty and a lot of work... not to mention fuel.


Running and gunning seldom works. I watched Armada Switzer a top NY guide fish for albies and she always got hook ups. What she did was watch the pattern of the albies and then set up her drift to intercept them. She did not run and gun to get the fish . It worked. However, as soon as she had a hook up several boats descended on her drift and put the fish down.
This is what I observed on the water. FishHawk

BigDave
09-26-2011, 02:23 PM
Running and gunning seldom works.

A matter of perspecitve and everyone does it differently. There are varying degrees of R&G, and if it's done well, it does not put the fish down and allows the angler multiple very high percentage shots into the mix. The fish do not always stay up forever, regardless if there is a boat on top of them or not. Sometimes they do not care and will keep on feeding even in a boat rams right into them.

Albies feed in different ways and sometimes drifting structure is more effective but to say it seldom works is simply not true.

sickb4st4rd
09-26-2011, 09:51 PM
Albies feed in different ways and sometimes drifting structure is more effective but to say it seldom works is simply not true.

In defense of that strategy what we were doing (but not ultimately succeeding at) was in fact trying to be in the right place right time right direction even if it was R+G but we were still trying to guess the advance target, IOW we weren't R+G'ing into the school, rather trying to predict. In retrospect what could you do but follow birds and try to meet them when a school came up, that was the best indicator. These fish were coming up and staying up no longer than 10 seconds, and then vanishing.. and I mean vanishing. 2 minutes later they'd show up 300 yards away and be gone just as quickly... and another school would show up 400 yards away opposite side.. frankly not sure if the amount of boats were to blame as far as this - maybe that was the albie pattern of the day based on the bait they were chasing.

boatdrinks
09-27-2011, 08:03 AM
that can be incredibly annoying when they do that!

sickb4st4rd
09-27-2011, 10:29 PM
Agreed. I'm plotting revenge right now. That "profession" I chose is getting in the way of it though!!!

boatdrinks
09-28-2011, 08:04 AM
tell me about it

fliboy
09-29-2011, 02:04 PM
Live in NH and I can't head out on the road until 10:00 or so on Friday, due to some medical tests. Anything still going on around Plum Island? Where would you go, short of RI (2.5 hours each way), if your day was limited to between 10:00 AM - 5:00 PM this Friday?

Thanks,

Dave

BigDave
09-29-2011, 04:32 PM
It was really good 2 weeks ago seemingly everywhere and then got tough seemingly everywhere with this warm spell. I fished watch hill and Montauk last weekend and it was tough we got 8 between the 2 days. The fish were there but the surface activity was lacking. Wondering where to go this weekend myself. A little northerly breeze might fire them back up and things can change quick.

boatdrinks
10-04-2011, 10:29 AM
anyone been out lately?

fliboy
10-04-2011, 10:44 AM
Hit PI Sound on Friday. Birds busting just south of Sandy Point as soon as we hit the beach. Lasted for 1pthe mins but all was out of reach for us' as we were shore bound. Did see small schools of small bunker in the was but nothing seemed to be in close. According to Fed manning the shack' blues were being caught the previous week. Birds cruised continuously through the afternoon but no more blitzes where seen from our vantage point. Several boats set up south of Sandy Pt but no did not have binocs to be able to see if they were bringing fish to the boat.