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flyfishsalt
06-24-2011, 07:25 AM
New Striped Bass
Management Measures on
the Horizon

http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dmf/publications/dmfnq1211.pdf

FredA
06-24-2011, 08:29 AM
So there we have it. We now know that the time lag between the strong anecdotal evidence and the statistics is 3 years (2008 being the first year that the shore fisherman became convinced something was going on).

Thanks for posting Joe

JonC
06-24-2011, 09:03 AM
Now we can only hope they do something vaguely intelligent rather than just politcally expedient.
Jon

juro
06-24-2011, 01:19 PM
This is the perfect case of a need for federal intervention. This proves that provincial state interests can not manage an intercoastal species.

MA can start by lowering the limit from 2 fish to 1 immediately.

boatdrinks
06-24-2011, 01:37 PM
You're absolutely right Juro. Bass (as well as many other species) need to be federally regulated.

juro
06-24-2011, 01:43 PM
And tuna need an internationally integrated management approach...even tougher. The lines we draw and rules we write are meaningless in nature.

Paxton
06-24-2011, 03:31 PM
Well I guess we weren't such bad flyfishermen after all. We all saw the changes in numbers as Fred said. Our "study" I am sure cost a great deal less than what the state did.
Obviously something must be done to if not rectify the situation or at least keep it from getting worse.
Sad to say IMHO...whether the state or the feds take some action..I fear that it will be liken to the mating and gestation period of elephants.........done at a very high level.....accompanied by a lot of noise and takes 2 years to get a result.
I don't think we have 2 years to wait.
Although I have only been to NM 3 times this year...a typical day is now seeing 15 to 20 stripers in 8 hrs instead of the more typical 75 to 200+ as of 3 to 4 years ago. Seeing fish throughout the day/ seeing fish on both sides of the tide....is no longer the norm...I am finding the new normal as being a 1 to 2 hr window of opportunity and being in the wrong spot at the wrong time diminishes results.
On Hardings (4 trips/days) this spring..I saw the old spring migration for 1 1/2 hrs on only one day (caught 9 stripers in that short period).
Maybe I missed it...but so have the others I have spoken to who are confident enough to share that they have been skunked..some for days.
Let's hope something that makes sense happens quickly and whoever is in charge is not a political appointee and former horse show judge.
Ron

JonC
06-24-2011, 03:59 PM
Ron, you're right on all counts, the real tragedy is that the bass problem is but one symptom of a highly overstressed ocean, with overfishing , pollution and most immutably, warming, playing havoc with the ecosystem.
Jon

bruce.campo
06-24-2011, 04:55 PM
Thanks for posting the report. It saddens me that it was a short time ago that the bass were in trouble and drastic measures were taken to save them. Through that, we learned NOTHING and we are heading back to square 1. Sorry Juro, but I do not trust the state NOR the Federal Govt to do the right thing. Each will satisfy the constituents that have the most money (read votes).
Why not treat the striper population like Deer? You want to keep stripers, buy a tag…But then, who manages the number of tags and oversight… And that doesn’t address the overharvest of the bait…
:Eyecrazy:

JonC
06-24-2011, 06:25 PM
No easy answers but taking them off the commercial market would be a giant step forward.
Jon

Paxton
06-24-2011, 06:51 PM
If I recall accurately...the downturn began when the increased harvesting of literally millions of bunker that occurrs in Naragansett bay starting early spring......I for one have not seen a bunker for 2 years (OK, maybe one or two).......I remember hitting Hardings in the fall not that many years ago and the sand was all silver with thousands of bunker jumping out of harms way as massive amts of blues gorged themselves along the shoreline.

Bait apears very sparse...the bunker...the large 30 ft diameter balls of sandeels that roamed SB and NM.......for me, the jury is still out on global warming...my sense is that the main issue is the overharvesting of bait for fishoil...........of course, I am guilty as well, as I take fish oil supplements.

No bait...no fish.
A few weeks ago, Jon took me in his flats boat over at least 3 sq miles of flats...not only did neighter of us see a fish...we never saw bait either.

FishHawk
06-27-2011, 04:35 AM
Well something is not right. One day you'll see tons of bait the next day none at all.
I was in a boat at a top secret UDL and the bottom was carpeted by bait.
Yesterday fishing out of my yak I saw no bait. It's this damn Northeast Wind that part of the problem. FishHawk

bruce.campo
06-27-2011, 07:01 AM
FishHawk - lucky you to be out in the yack - the only thing I saw yesterday was weeds in my flowerbeds... No bait, but lots of weeds.

sRobbins
06-27-2011, 01:59 PM
Very good day in Brewster yesterday -- pretty much sight-casting to singles for a few hrs. I was melancholy the whole trip as usual -- fishing around the Cape (at least on the flats) is a shadow of what it used to be. We put in big hours too. It wasn't that long ago that flats like Common, the Crib, the Cuts, etc, would turn black with schools of fish swimming by....

juro
06-28-2011, 08:35 AM
Not just day to day but tide to tide for me.

It's always been a crapshoot when I roll the dice :) but I don't remember it being this inconsistent.

Paxton
06-28-2011, 10:47 AM
Now to add to this year's confusion...yesterday I saw at least 200 blues and 300 stripers...result...one striper and blue caught (I hate to brag this much :smokin: )

I called a friend who was fishing elsewhere on the Cape...he also saw hundreds of fish....got skunked.

Not sure I am ever going to be successful figuring this stuff out. Last time out I saw hordes of bait....but very few fish seen. This time...very little bait at best.....hordes of fish.

Only guess was that yesterday's tide was very weak.......wondering if weak tide correlates with "MOOD"...ie negatively affects feeding patterns??????????

So far this year is c _ _ _ shoot.

I think the fact that fish are generally in "schools" makes them a a lot smarter than me (or is it "I"?) :hihi:

Ron

FishHawk
06-28-2011, 01:16 PM
"Bill,

I attribute it to the even stranger weather pattern we're in. Cold and rainy May and June - wind shift every two days.

Where the wind goes the bait goes and so go the fish.

With 55 years of hardcore fishing experience that's my take on it anyway.

Stable weather should give us some more stable fishing patterns - I hope!

Paul G. Caruso"

Senior Marine Fisheries Biologist

Recreational Fisheries Project

1213 Purchase Street, 3rd Floor
So here is the scoop from the Senior Marine Fisheries Biologist.
Please, don't make any negative comments to Paul's honest reply. Thanks FishHawk

Dble Haul
06-28-2011, 02:46 PM
I must admit that when fish are schooled like that and ignoring the usual offerings, I usually do well by severely downsizing the size of the fly. I'm talking about catching decent sized fish on size 8 hooks, tied very sparse.

The only times I've ever encountered picky bluefish is when they were either daisy chaining or on very tiny bait. In the first situation it pays to lead them in the daisy chain (not unlike tarpon), and in the second case when the fly was downsized the fish cooperated. The were selective for size, not color.

Selective bluefish...not necessarily an oxymoron. :Eyecrazy:

Paxton
06-28-2011, 03:41 PM
Mark...thanks for the input..if it happens again, will try your technique
Ron

FredA
06-28-2011, 04:02 PM
Only guess was that yesterday's tide was very weak.......

Thanks Ron, I was looking for an excuse.:frown:

Paxton
06-28-2011, 05:36 PM
Fred...here are some more:
East wind....bad for fishing
North wind....cold front shut them down
S or SW wind....water too choppy to see the fish
Calm/little wind....like glass, fish spooked

As one of my friends, who keeps a journal said one day after I asked him what was the most signifiucant thing he learned was.....he responded...."some days they bite, some days they don't" :hihi:

KMcFly
06-28-2011, 06:15 PM
Ron- Fact of life if you fish in the spring the east wind prevails,the have to eat
North wind is to remind you that winter has left
South-SW - the time to go and plenty of bait leave the sound for other locales
Calm little wind like glass fish spook- Long light leaders and that special fly,Its like taking your final exam in college lets see if you were paying attention in class.

The tree of learning is watered by the bitter tears of experience

Paxton
06-28-2011, 06:54 PM
Ken....long time no see! I do miss fishing with you and learning from the master. I bet you are still using flies that have "3 hairs" on them :) If I remember right...you called them "toothpicks"
Hopefully our paths will cross sometime this season.
Ron
PS: off to tie some toothpicks...it's time!

highway61
06-29-2011, 06:12 PM
Now to add to this year's confusion...yesterday I saw at least 200 blues and 300 stripers...result...one striper and blue caught (I hate to brag this much :smokin:

Ron,

I was out in my yak on monday, and saw two guys working the NM flats, could that by chance be you and Gary? I didn't want to get too close lest I spook all those fish you were catching or should I say, hoping to catch. :hihi:

Well, I saw a lot of bait and stripers not more than 30' off of Harding beach. I ended up catching several in the 20+" range. Then after paddling around for a while I went over to ministers point and over to the cut. It was getting close to low tide. I got out of my yak and walked out to the surf line where there were dozens of stripers cruising through the wash. I ended up catching a few there as well, one over 30+" After getting skunked the last time out, it was great to get into some fish. All in all it was one of my best days this year.

Steve

Paxton
06-30-2011, 08:40 PM
Steve..it was I and a friend named Don on NM. Congrats on your great day...my other friend was also fishing Hardings that days from shore casting to 100s of fish 5 to 10 ft from the shoreline with no success at all. You caught them 30 ft out. Now the question is why the differenrce? You had bait present, maybe he didn't. I know that the bait on NM was incredibly sparse at best Monday.
I was at Hardings today until a real blow of on shore S wind kicked up at 11 a.m............walked the beach twice...did not see any sign of bait...yet birds were diving on bait 100 to 150ft off shore the whole day ..that may be the clue.
Did not see anything busting bait under birds...........scuba gear is my next investment :hihi:
Ron

boatdrinks
07-01-2011, 07:45 AM
birds at harding's can drive you nuts

highway61
07-01-2011, 06:02 PM
Ron,

Not sure what the difference was. There was a lot of bait present, most of it
3 - 4" in length. I used a sparcely tied olive and white flatwing....nothing special. I trimmed it down to length and voila! I might have passed them by while paddling the yak, but fortunately I was trolling the flatwing and caught the first one. Once I got into fish so early I thought for sure there would be many more to come. I was able to cover a lot of water with my yak, the conditons were ideal, but those wiley stripers just disappeared. I noticed the birds working the water way off shore too, but it was a fools errand. By the time I got to where they were diving, they moved on. I gotta tell you, I had quite the workout!! I went back to NH a tired but happy man.

Steve