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striblue
12-22-2009, 12:57 PM
This is a fact finding post...Will those who beleive we are a "closed Society" please post why they believe this. If possible, please provide "facts" not "feelings". If Feeling are supposrted by facts then it would be helpful. Please be conscious of what is generally accepted as definitions of "closed Society" or Clubs...also take into considerations how friendships are made...... I will start it.. ...If anyone "feels" this is a closed society, tell us why with fact, if not........then...... Get a good Physciarist!!!!!!!:lildevl: (Facts will help.....otherwise if not, you can use this to cry and whine why no one makes you feel good...... we can WORK with facts...we will not be able to help you with your general feelings about life)....... also please feel free to post why you think it is NOT. Btw.....Our membership committee meets tonight and we are voting on several prospects. If voted upon they will naturally need to meet with the board of directiors,,,, I hope there are no dues increases this year and our by-laws will need amendments. We will need to be particularly selective this year as we are hoping that the new prospects only use Orvis equipment are are no taller than 6 feet 5 inches.

MartyG
12-22-2009, 01:25 PM
I think I'm a fairly good indicator since I joined slightly less than a year ago. Why did I join? To learn about bonefishing.

Results: Each questions I have posted has been replied to by various members both publicly and through PMs.

That has encouraged me to post regarding the few places I've traveled to and fished in the Bahamas and southern Caribbean.

I also fish for stripers south of Boston. I lurk in those forums and pick up tips.

Forums are a place where to you get what you want if you are willing to participate. If you have a username and password how can it be "closed?"

Happy Holidays,

Marty

polareyez
12-22-2009, 06:12 PM
Striblue,

Is it true that the committee is also closing the Monomoy area to left-handed casters?:chuckle:

Merry Christmas

woodtac
12-22-2009, 10:45 PM
I do not post a great deal here because I think that I have a whole lot more to learn about striper fishing and bonefishing before I feel qualified to offer much in the way of comments. Nevertheless, I check here often. In addition, I walked into two Forum gatherings last summer knowing virtually none of you, and felt totally welcomed and included. The Forum is only closed to those who chose to treat it that way. Thanks to Juro and all of you for being so generous with your time and patience with a relative rookie. Merry Christmas, too.

vtloon
12-23-2009, 09:16 AM
"The Forum is only closed to those who chose to treat it that way."

Couldn't say it better. If conversations occur that you're not part of, how is that any different than everyday life? If people disagree and sometimes get cross-wise, how is that different than everyday life?

From the forum I've learned a lot, made new friends that share the fly fishing bug (and fished with them), gotten help and advice, and never been treated badly.

Jere Eshelman
12-24-2009, 12:27 PM
This forum seems to be open to anyone with a computer and a connection to the Internet. We welcome lurkers. Once they realize the benefits gained thru the free flow of information and recognize that this resource can solve most problems and answer their questions without too much sarcasm most will sign up and participate.

HO,HO,HO and All http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon7.gif

Rip Ryder
12-24-2009, 02:18 PM
I'm in trouble now, I have always referred Monomoy Newbies to this forum to read up and ask questions. I thought it was OK for me to do, since all those who were suggested, came back thanking me for introducing them to such an inviting group of fisherman. "Everyone on there is so helpful"

Sorry for any trouble I caused Mayor, hope you won't hold it against me:tsk_tsk:

Capt Keith

OC
12-24-2009, 02:31 PM
I am guilty of being a part of a Flytalk closed society. Usually I only respond to the people I know personally or have known them here at Flytalk for many years. When new folks introduce themselves rarely do I post a welcome or help them out. There is no good reason for this and it is a terrible way to be seeing that I enjoy this site and have for many many years. Recently someone posted beautiful pictures of trout fishing in western Mass. and I felt really compelled to thank that person as they put a lot of effort into posting the pics. I guess for my new years resolution I will make a lot more effort in welcoming new fishers and thanking folks for sharing their fly tying skills and sharing their pics and stories. I will also take the time to read areas that do not usually interest me like warm water fishing etc. I know that there are many of the long time members who do put the effort in but there are many of us who do not put the effort into Flytalk, we should if we want the site to continue and evolve.
To all members new and old have a great holiday.
Steve Wrye
OC

Bjorn
12-24-2009, 03:30 PM
Been very open for me. There are closed boards out there. This isn't one of them.

I've asked plenty of questions and had plenty of replies and PM's. It's been great.

juro
12-25-2009, 03:00 PM
Is the forum a closed society?


No.

nmbrowncom
12-27-2009, 10:18 AM
closed-no way. but generally intolerant to oposing views, i think so. i remember posts say from miller brown which had legit complaints and was recieved with derision. i've seen this quite a bit over the years when non "insiders" have critica l comments. while questions from newbies and other non contoversial issues are met with genuine friendliness, there seems to be little tolerance for criticism or differences of opinion.

for what it's worth, it seems to me that the much bigger issue is where is the forum going? it seems like a rudderless ship with no direction for anything other than various group get togethers or where people can ask questions about fly fishing and get some good info. i find nothing wrong with that, but if the powers that be want to be a force in flyfishing, then it needs real commitment. lip service is not enough. it means real work that will attract interest-like regular and updated articles-not the stuff that's been here for years-real travel up dates and deals, news about the industry etc. that all takes lot of time, money, and commitment-all of which has been in short supply for years.

odviously what we've been doing for the past few years is not working. while it may be
true that other boards are also suffering as is the industry, the numerous other boards that i check in on are not nearly as moribound as we are here.

i think that asking for donations and dues is ok, but the question is-to what end? and if that end is something more than what we are now(a decent chat board among friends) , then what is the plan and who is doing what to implement it?

striblue
12-27-2009, 02:06 PM
Well, Going forward is what you are speaking about which is what we hope. I will have to comment on one thing and that is the intolerance to opposing views which I do not see at all. I do see intolerance to opposing views cloaked with baiting... there is a very big difference. We can take MB for example. You need only go back to read what others have responded to such baiting and not just myself...some comments from newbees as well.... and sometimes Derision is met with Derision. From a personal point of view and I hazard to say from many others as well....legitamate points of view may not always be legitament points of view and have other motives, if you know what I mean.

PopnesetBay
12-27-2009, 07:48 PM
I have followed the threads on headlined topics with some interest. I am not an active contributor or questioneer, as the 190+ posts indicate but I am a very active 'lurker'.
In my opinion there probably should be a hard look at some of the topics, with the thought that maybe they could be combined or eliminated . Do I think a "General Forum"/"Liars Bench" or whatever would increase postings, maybe but not a lot. Would it give someplace to direct the "hi-jacking subject" to and allow original post to remain on subject, probably. I guess the only way to find out would be to try.

Someplace in the headline posts the question of "Where is this forum headed" got raised.
One forum cannot be all things to all people but my take on this one is it is really something I can be comfortable with, just as it stands. If this forum needs a direction to head in, what is it? I have yet to read any specific recommendations. If your criticism cannot be constructive and offer solutions, don't criticize!

Is this a closed society? This was perfectly answered with the comment "It is closed only if the observer sees it that way'. Even as a 'non charter member' I have never felt discomfort in posting. I will, however, offer a piece of advice to some of the "old timers".
When a question is posted by someone and that subject has been covered in many previous posts, before the posters registering, there is no reason to respond "Here we go again", "Re-opening that can of worms","Not again" or some such comment,or worse, "Didn't you use "search" before you posted?" These types of responses do make the original poster feel unwelcome. Guide the poster to search and give them a subject to search for, not everyone is sure how the search function works, instead of making snide remarks.

I am off my soap-box.

Tight Lines to all, and to all, Happy New Year.

Pete Readel

juro
12-27-2009, 09:20 PM
Don't worry about it. If you enjoy hanging out here it's yours to do so as it has been for a decade. If not, well go hang at a less moribound site or better yet - go fishing.

It's just a flyfishing discussion area not a business venture, for sharing information and is responsible for countless friendships, many that will last a lifetime. That's good enough for me at the moment, in fact much better than good.

I encourage anyone who would like to drive a site in some specific direction to build one and run it for some number of years. There's a change you'd be satisfied with an outcome as a forum for friendships, entertainment and information sharing, or perhaps not but one things for sure - you will be in control of your site's destiny whatever one wishes that to be.

For now, the forum is here 'as is' for those who enjoy it, and it's potential is really bound only by what participants bring to it in that sense.

- Juro

closed-no way. but generally intolerant to oposing views, i think so. i remember posts say from miller brown which had legit complaints and was recieved with derision. i've seen this quite a bit over the years when non "insiders" have critica l comments. while questions from newbies and other non contoversial issues are met with genuine friendliness, there seems to be little tolerance for criticism or differences of opinion.

for what it's worth, it seems to me that the much bigger issue is where is the forum going? it seems like a rudderless ship with no direction for anything other than various group get togethers or where people can ask questions about fly fishing and get some good info. i find nothing wrong with that, but if the powers that be want to be a force in flyfishing, then it needs real commitment. lip service is not enough. it means real work that will attract interest-like regular and updated articles-not the stuff that's been here for years-real travel up dates and deals, news about the industry etc. that all takes lot of time, money, and commitment-all of which has been in short supply for years.

odviously what we've been doing for the past few years is not working. while it may be
true that other boards are also suffering as is the industry, the numerous other boards that i check in on are not nearly as moribound as we are here.

i think that asking for donations and dues is ok, but the question is-to what end? and if that end is something more than what we are now(a decent chat board among friends) , then what is the plan and who is doing what to implement it?

striblue
12-27-2009, 09:40 PM
Juro, I have no problem with what you say......I only raised it because someone raised the "closed Society"... and then continued to post that in Threads with a pattern of these comments stuck in post that were on other subjects...so I started a thread ONLY for that question.......and knew there was another motive> we could still used a "general or BS Forum" which you seemed to agree with...I raise the UK or Canadian as another suggestion. The Closed Society comments...over and over...ticked me off.

Redfisher
12-28-2009, 08:36 AM
Juro

If you're happy with the way things are than so be it. I'm on here a couple of times a day because I enjoy the site very much.

I'm a very slow typist but have been trying to post more often rather than just lurking. I'll try even harder in the future. I also hope that I will get a chance to meet you and some of the members this year. I live in Orleans and run my boat out of Outermost Harbor but always had other commitments that prevented participation in the various scheduled events. Hope this year will be different.

Thanks for keeping this site going because I'm sure that most of the members are like me and derive considerable pleasure in our visits here.

Again, thanks

Dan

striblue
12-28-2009, 12:28 PM
As this thread remains open it is appearing that all think we are not a closed society (atleast those that responded to date)....I myself will remain focused to responding to baiting, sarcasm, flamming, and pointing out when someone dumps on others here.... It is not my fault that Harry Truman is my favorite contemporary president. I am not a back stabber... you will hear exactly how I feel about things. We can not change personalities. If I am wrong I will say I am sorry...I will appologize. I also have a keen sense when it comes to hidden motives.... cute remarks intended to mean something else........ and will say what I think... I know exactly what a couple posters are saying and what past threads they are referring too. I also know who they are referring to. Absent setting up a general BS Forum, I guess Juro is right.... he is saying, in my opinion...SO WHAT. Sugar coating everything we say sounds so Phoney... to me. In the case of MB.... and the pattern...what's the old saying? Once is an incident, twice is a coincident, three times is enemy action. EDIT.... The question should be put on this thread. It has been addressed and remains open..If it is raised again in another thread by that individual, the motive will be clear, and I will DELETE it and then take it to the final step.

nmbrowncom
12-29-2009, 05:47 PM
i think this closed society thing is getting blown way out of proportion. this is a great chat board and very helpful and friendly-anything but closed. john (stribule) you are always amongst the first to help with questions and with pertinent information and to welcome new members-perhaps amongst the most open.

but 2 things i've noticed: first, any chat board or other homogenious group, such as a team or neighborhood friends where some folks have already gotten to know each other, is bound to feel a bit intimidating to a new or less engaging person, and thus may appear to be closed to that new or quiet person; second, when controversies arise some of us are more aggressive and off putting than others, and i put myself in that category, and to some it seems and perhaps is closed off.

that said, i also think we limit ourselves by our concerns about being an "outsider" or fear of getting ripped as a reason not to participate and thus conclude that the forum is somewhat closed to us.. for example, i know that so many people on this board are crazy about acklins for bones. i fish grand bahama with a guide, and do a deal on timeshare rentals. i've always wanted to open it up to members of this board but was fearful that i'd be seen as trying to compete with the acklins folks and thus have shied away from doing so for fear that my actions will be misinterpreted. similarly, i've wanted to get a group together to go to the amazon for peacock bass in the winter which i've been doing for the past 9 years, but just never have.

building on what works here, like the spring and fall claves may help increase participation-like doing an exchange between some of the inland and coastal guys to perhaps fish the haba one weekend and head toward the miller river or some of the other trout spots some other weekend.


anyway, i think we've beat this thing to death. this forum is great. all we need to do is explore how to build on the the relationships we've made.

striblue
12-29-2009, 11:26 PM
Thanks Neal... all good and cogent points... and yes we have beaten this to death. I am hopeful that we can just start with a general info board...the BS board, where we can atleast divy issues up. This will not increase paricipation but may provide a forum ... as I have beaten it to death...to grip, bring up non fishing matters, stuff like that. I am exhausted repeating my intent here... Anyway, we have some shows..... some trips to share.... etc. I am even trying to get back into fly tying and will have a table at the Orvis Chatham bars INN show... hopefully it will really be an excuse to see some of the guys and some new guys who want to join us for fishing in Chatham and the rip trips.

Eric
12-30-2009, 02:09 AM
Hah!!! First BS Post: Read It and Weep!

The light turned yellow, just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk, even though he could have beaten the red light by accelerating through the intersection. The tailgating woman was furious and honked her horn, screaming in frustration, as she missed her chance to get through the intersection, dropping her cell phone and makeup.

As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer. The officer ordered her to exit her car with her hands up. He took her to the police station where she was searched, fingerprinted, photographed, and placed in a holding cell.

After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk where the arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects. He said, ''I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy in front of you and cussing a blue streak at him. I noticed the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, the 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'Follow Me to Sunday-School' bumper sticker, and the chrome-plated Christian fish emblem on the trunk, so naturally....I assumed you had stolen the car.''

Happy New Year!

Eric

Adrian
12-30-2009, 05:19 AM
Thanks Eric :smokin:

striblue
12-30-2009, 09:01 AM
Eric, That is suppose to go on the BS Forum!!!!:chuckle: Now where is it anyway...Lets change the name of the "recipes" forum to " Recipes, Gripping, jokes. Trombone playing (wink), sports and politics".

PopnesetBay
12-30-2009, 01:23 PM
John, when is that scheduled?

Happy New Year!
Pete Readel

striblue
12-30-2009, 05:21 PM
Pete, I actually don't have the date myself yet, but I think it is the last weekend in January...I will follow up. It may interest everyone here that the Fishing the Cape Store , which is an Orvis outfitter has now contracted to be a full Hardy Outfitter as well andd will also have a full range of Winston Rods. I understand that Full Hardy, means Full Hardy...Rods, All reels and other gear.

PopnesetBay
12-30-2009, 07:45 PM
Yeah, John. I went to their site after I saw your first post about the show and saw that they are advertising the Grey rods, which I think are through Hardy, and the Hardy reels. Not sure that I would make the trip from Up-State NY just for the show but with the problems I am experiencing re: construction - financing - etc at Mashpee who knows when I might have to make the trek down. This fiasco "blew" last spring/summer and fall and now appears that it will continue to create confusion all thru the winter!!

Keep me in the loop about the show

Pete Readel

bonefishmon
01-02-2010, 03:26 PM
I found this sight by accident many years ago after being frustrated fishing Monomoy and South Beach. I got help here and made many friends in the process. The biggest help came from the posting people from this so called 'closed society' of friends that are familiar with the fishing in the Chatham area. Why did I get help? I simply asked. I too was a little skeptical about asking for help from a tight group of very knowledgeable anglers that I did not know in fear that what I asked for would go ignored as it does on other forums. Perhaps a 'Mentor Forum' would be helpful. After all. Most people that watch this site closely are in need of just that! Help. Most of the postings here are Cape related thus there is some isolation. I would be most happy to cover my area and answer any questions to do with Southeastern Ct. and the Rhode Island beaches. There are many other members in this area as well. Perhaps if we open this arena up to Cape Cod and beyond, more people will get involved. I've posted to offer help many times and have gotten a great response but mostly PM's. I have been investing a great deal of time fishing close to home since the Southway closed. I miss South Beach but do not miss the long drive. Let's expand beyond the Elbow and start area specific topics. Maine......New Hampshire.... North Shore......The Cape....South Shore.....the Ditch....Rhode Island.....Connecticut.......Etc. Just food for thought.

Phil

GMflyfish
01-02-2010, 08:30 PM
Hi Pete,

"but with the problems I am experiencing re: construction - financing - etc at Mashpee who knows when I might have to make the trek down. This fiasco "blew" last spring/summer and fall and now appears that it will continue to create confusion all thru the winter!!"

I thought you were finished with the fun and games part of the cottage project. Does the line above mean the saga continues? Most projects end up at twice the time and twice the cost. Hope you can see a successful conclusion in the near future.
GMflyfish