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: fundraising idea

05-04-2009, 09:31 AM
Hey guys - I'm going on ten years of running this site without pay and the only complaint I have is when I have to pay for hosting out of pocket :mad:

Sponsorships are great but you need a sales effort as well as graphic artist for ad banners, etc. It's like work - I already got enough of that. So here's what I am thinking...

I want to set up a subscriber-only section of the site that will have detailed insider info from contributors like you and I as well as professionals in the trade.

The objective is to cover the server cost (only). Subscriptions will be limited to a small number of 'members'. Monthly subscription will be cheap.

Secret spot-burning on the internet should be the exception, but within this small group of subscribers it's the rule. The little tricks that make a fly pattern something special will be described by it's inventor. Our friends who are professionals will chime in now and again. And the collective intel within our member ranks will be shared no holds barred within the private section.

Let's have a show of hands - who would be game to subscribe for something like this if it were say $5 per month?

05-04-2009, 09:45 AM
I am willing to help in anyway that I can with the costs of running the site.

I am in two minds about having a "members only" section.

05-04-2009, 10:33 AM
Finally; I'll be able wear my" members only" jacket again .:chuckle: Early 80's high style here I come.

05-04-2009, 02:37 PM
I'd be in at that rate, no problem.

05-04-2009, 03:05 PM
It would only work if 1) enough people did it and 2) the content was decent. I know I could put some very good Cape insider material into it this year :smokin:

However it would require a good mix of info - for instance the inside skinny on DIY locations in the tropics, a few secret steelie holes in the PNW that have been good year after year, etc.

In addition to our own detailed hot spot sharing within the small group, I'd ask friends like Simon Gawesworth to talk about casting, and friends like Ed Ward to talk about 'catching'. Ann Smith can make some Gaspe insights available, and Leland Miyawaki can open up the thinking on salmon on poppers (which you just have to see to believe). The Deschutes summer run fishery is something Eric Bigler is very keen on, and there is a wealth of inside knowledge we've gathered on specific tropical destinations like Acklins to name only one. I know spots on the mainland PR where you can hook tarpon up to 75 pounds with a roll cast (but never land them) and Pete's been studying the redfish boom with amazing results. Some have been lucky enough to enjoy Cuba.

Keep in mind it would be a limited membership, small group - just enough to cover the costs. The rest of the site would remain unchanged. No different than a magazine subscription but with much more focused info.

Jim Miller
05-04-2009, 05:12 PM
I'd be willing to chip in. No problem on a donation basis.

Sorry, but I don't like the idea of a members only section.
Let's face it.....contributing membership is now small to almost nill. I'm afraid if we have a members only group....there will be no one there to contribute info. At that point, why not just pick up the phone?

I enjoy this site.... and the guys who frequent here. I just don't think there will be enough interest in an exclusive club.

just my 2 cents worth.

05-04-2009, 06:15 PM
It's a tough problem to solve for this kind of interpersonal and open community.

Thousands of other sites do the subscription thing, it's not really exclusive per se just more info for those who belly up to the bar. It's not uncommon in fact it's probably the most common thing out there., football, dating, financials, porn, even other flyfishing sites do it this way. it's not unusual, just unusual for us.

05-04-2009, 06:26 PM
"member's only" section kind of smacks of elitism.

05-04-2009, 07:13 PM
"member's only" section kind of smacks of elitism.

You could interpret it that way. You could also interpret it as the other portion of the name states.... "Subscribers": those who care enough to put their money and or effort behind their arm waving. I am about as anti-elitist as it gets, but I have never suffered dilettantes gladly (the older and crankier I get, the more true that is).

That's my perspective, not an argument. I have to believe there is a way to implement the concept without alienating folks. So, yes, lose the Members word.

05-04-2009, 08:04 PM
At $5/month, I'm in. MUCH cheaper than the porn sites (oops, did I just say that?):lildevl:
Let me know how/when/where to send.

05-04-2009, 09:02 PM
Count me in. Let me know how and where to ante up. How many do you need to sign up to make this work at $60/yr. if you did not have to have "sponsors"? Suggestions: As a "subscribing member" let me have the ability to to do something that non-subscribing registered users cannot do. Maybe restrict ability to PM others only to subscribers ?? Once a "subscribing member" logs in they remain logged in until they log out but all other users have to log in each time they access site? Something very subtle so as not to create the "elite' atmosphere. Every financial contributor should be recognized as a "subscribing member " under their 'screen name' . Just some thoughts but lets not wait too long. How much, how and where do we send the $$$. If we get any recognition or additional benefits they can develop over time but $$$ is the important issue, right now.

05-05-2009, 07:17 AM
I may be wrong, but it is my view that the mission of this forum is to promote all aspects of flyfishing, e.g. techniques, equipment, locations, flytying, and the comraderie of like-minded individuals. A members only subsection to the forum will likely eliminate the majority of new/young participants. Youth interested in hunting/fishing actvities have been declining for the past 10 years - just look at license sales decline in each state.

This is a wonderful site and has fostered some lifelong friendships for me over the years. I'll continue to share and learn about the craft, but I'm concerned about an approach that tends to be elitist.

A donation to support the site is a non-issue.

05-05-2009, 07:30 AM
i've been giving a good deal of thought to juro's query.
it seems to me that the strength of this forum is the comrarderie that has developed amongst the members. that comrarderie has evolved into numerous functions (spring and fall clave) which are organized by a few but all are invited-and it is all done through the forum.

the content, other than member posts, is weak. getting notables to write articles on a regular basis to a limited membership does not seem sustainable at least at first blush. additionally, improving content to attract subscribing members, while a laudable goal, does not appear to play to the forum's strength.

now this is just a thought. assuming that my premises are accurate, does it make sense to to have a minimum participation fee for the claves-say $25. given the numbers of people who show up, that would more than cover the costs. perhaps we could could get some sponsors to provide (small items) t shirts, hats, leader material, tippet, hooks, flies
etc so that each person participating will get a "grab bag" of useful stuff. i don't know for sure, but small items like that are probably easier to get out of sponsors than money and rods, and it all ends up for the benefit of the forum and the participants of the claves or other events in that hey all would get something for their $25 contribution/fee.
just a thought.

05-05-2009, 07:47 AM
I appreciate the feedback.

It's pretty simple as I see it. The site won't change. However some people will subscribe, get some potent info and hopefully say "wow that was worth it" or at least say "hey I kept the forum going for another year and got some good tips". If nothing else say "nice pictures" ;)

Also a forum subscriber embroidered baseball cap or something.

05-05-2009, 08:10 AM
I am more than happy to contribute to the FFF, just as I did last year. All we seem to need is a reminder to contribute. I am worried that a member section would be where most of the info would be shared. One possible outcome would be that the most of the messages by regular contributors would be limited to the members section. If that happened, could the non-member section survive? I am only raisng this concern for consideration. Whatever Juro decides is best for the forum I will support. If a member only section is created I would be glad to join.


05-05-2009, 11:55 AM
I just thought of another idea- this pertains to the "For Sale" forum- perhaps a nominal fee (similar to an ad fee in a newspaper) to post in the "For Sale" forum- it is, after all, a form of advertising, and a small fee to post there would be reasonable. May not cover the entire costs of the site, but would certainly help cut down the amount needed from donors/subscribers/whatevers.

05-05-2009, 12:48 PM
Great idea Doc!!
A little creativity is always useful when fund raising.
How about some sort of silent auction at the Clave dinner?
Or trying to make a profit on the contributions for the dinner.

05-06-2009, 07:03 AM

What ever you decide I'm in.

The "members only" section sounds interesting as it might stimulate the exchange of information. A few years ago info was pretty freely exchanged. But in the last few years it seems that we have all become more reluctant to post specifics. I know I don't post info on my shore fishing spots here in Orleans because most of them can only support a few fishermen in terms of both fishing space and parking. I don't mind sharing the info I just don't want to put it out there for the whole world.


05-06-2009, 08:52 PM
i see from his posts that juro has been scouting the new rips off of monomoy, chatham, and nauset. the information that he has already posted and that which is forthcomming will be invaluable to all of us who fish the cape. juro provides us with this info without any hesitation nor with any requests.

i suggest the following fund raiser:
1. juro to produce a detailed evaluation of the fishing conditions and areas in light of the recent changes in the area and his regular scouting forays.
2. everyone who is either attending any of the claves or is otherwise interested pay $25 to the forum for juro's report.

last year we had approximately 50 participants at the spring clave. that would go a long way in covering juro's expenses. hopefully the fall clave and other events would raise enough to pay expenses.

05-06-2009, 11:58 PM
I hestitate to post on this thread and as can be seen I deleted my other post because, although many have come up with good ideas, let me simply state that this thread and Juro's original post would not be necessary if all participants SIMPLY cough up $25 bucks or more. If they would ,none of this stuff would be necessary and Juro would not have posted it in the first place. :confused: Over and out.

Dble Haul
05-07-2009, 11:43 AM
And that falls right in line with an idea that I have suggested on several occasions.....set up a Paypal account to which members can make donations. That would alleviate any perceived elitism, and would allow for contributions of any size from any member.

05-07-2009, 01:07 PM
I hestitate to post on this thread and as can be seen I deleted my other post because, although many have come up with good ideas, let me simply state that this thread and Juro's original post would not be necessary if all participants SIMPLY cough up $25 bucks or more. If they would ,none of this stuff would be necessary and Juro would not have posted it in the first place. :confused: Over and out.

In the past, there have been some sort of barriers to this approach. If they are not there now, simple donations are the clear best way. I like 2-Haul's suggestion of a Paypal account; that can be added at any time. Anyway, I'm in.

05-07-2009, 04:22 PM
Yes... Thanks...this is because, and I maybe wrong, but it is about a guy who simply will NOT ask for donations. He has always felt that someone should get something for it...something more than just the existance of the Forum....and WHO will orgainize all these "ideas" for fundraising...Juro naturally. More work for him. No one I saw said...they will take the ball to raise money. I know he asked for comments...but I also know this has come about by him simply not wanting to ask for contributions with nothing specific in return. All the booths at the fly shows, all his out of pocket stuff, the Big Brother day...Just send him some cash . I think we can have a list , like Jeff Smith does on his, 'Friends Of the Flyfishing Forum" and list the people unless they don't want to be known.

05-07-2009, 04:36 PM
Last year I made a donation to the forum via paypal. Like others have suggested, I am ready to make another donation. Juro, is there a paypal account set up to recieve donations?


05-10-2009, 09:46 AM
juro, you asked for comments and many people have come up with comments and ideas. what have you decided?

05-10-2009, 12:07 PM
I joined a coastal flyfishing club here in Ct. that has only 160 members. We share intel no one else sees via a private group internet program. It costs each member $25.00 a year. A diamond in the rough bargain as far as I am concerned. It works flawlessly and we even have a telephone Hotline for same day intel so as not to be yesterday's news. I still look here frequently for advice. The times have certainly changed. I find this site very appealing in that it has connected me to many fine fly fishermen I would not have otherwise met. This wealth of knowledge has been available for free for many years and I commend Juro and his moderators for all this insight and hard work keeping this alive for so long! Whatever he comes up with, please include me. I'm in favor of Mark's concept but will be open minded to whatever works so long as Juro does not get forced into the overload mode. Too much work for one person.


05-10-2009, 03:57 PM
I've made donations directly to Juro either at the spring clave or at the Marlborough Show for the last few years and am willing to continue to "donate" either as a "subscriber" or just as a guy who appreciates having all this infor available. I didn't know Juro was funding this all on his own and have assumed most of the regulars were donating to the cause also.

05-11-2009, 06:05 AM
Thanks guys - I really appreciate the support.

Paypal address is: (not a working email)

05-11-2009, 10:18 AM
Juro..I just sent $100 to the paypal account...confirm me by PM that it is there...Paypal confirmed.....let me know if you are not raising enough. This is an edit...I just noticed that you put in a "donate" prompt above...I did not use it, just went to my paypal account .

05-11-2009, 10:44 AM
Thanks everyone -

We've already hit over 15% in one day!

Unlike the Mass Pike Authority or the NY thruway, I will take down the link when we hit the target :)

05-11-2009, 12:30 PM
I broke down and used paypal. Please advise if it didn't go through.

05-11-2009, 02:14 PM
Ditto Fred's message.

05-11-2009, 03:46 PM
As usual, the simplest solution is usually the most effective.

The paypal link worked great. Would it be difficult to put up a donation meter to track the progress? Just a simple thermometer style with the goal at the top. You wouldn't have to use dollar amounts just percentages. I think that would drive donations if donors could see how close the site is to goal.

We could also allow contributing members into a private thread area like the "ridiculous board" where the content is a little more revealing. It would be similar to a members only section but be based on donations rather than a subscription fee. The result would mean the majority of the site remains public (keeping with the spirit of the forum), but there would be a small private area for contributing members.

Just thinking out loud.......

05-11-2009, 04:04 PM
That was the spirit behind the percentage announcement I made earlier. I don't have a thermometer :) but will post percentages daily.

Thanks for proving through your actions that this site is worthwhile. Ten years coming up!!

05-11-2009, 04:59 PM
Love the link - it worked for me too:smokin:

05-11-2009, 05:09 PM
Worked for me.

05-11-2009, 05:52 PM
I am in... nice to see the enthusiasm...

Good luck


05-11-2009, 08:19 PM
at he risk of sounding like a complete dufus. is there a designated amount that we should be sending?

05-11-2009, 08:20 PM
That was too easy!!! Hope it really works and you get the $$$, Juro. Is this "donation thread" worth making a 'sticky' with updated % posted weekly?

05-11-2009, 08:42 PM
no - completely voluntary and as a not-for-profit only until the annual cost is met.

% posted daily - will tally, just walked in the door. Only thing worse than getting my ass worked off would be not (in this economy)

05-11-2009, 09:40 PM
WOW - we're already at 38%! It will be great to have a worry free 2009 - then we can just focus on the important business of flyfishing until next year our tenth anniversary :smokin:

Of all the things that have come out of this community - the shows, claves, benefit events, sharing of knowledge, even the occasional melt-downs... it's the life-long friendships that have been formed that are the real reward.

05-12-2009, 02:58 AM
Happy to help. See you in a couple of weeks.

05-12-2009, 08:12 AM
Hi Juro
Sent $25.00. If you need more e-mail me


05-12-2009, 10:48 AM
The Link worked for me.


05-13-2009, 07:39 AM
We just broke the 50% mark!

05-13-2009, 08:23 AM
I had no problem with the paypal transaction. Its great that the funds are flowing in.


05-13-2009, 08:44 AM
Even though I do not fish the Cape much any more I threw my hat into the ring. The Forum has been a great site for many years and taught me many things about the sport back when I was a single man that hit the beaches of Chatham on a regular basis.

In fact, Juro himself imparted most of the lessons during excursions on South Beach, the Honey Hole and the Mecca.

I am not a fan of a member's only section of the Forum, but I would appreciate any PMs that Juro and the Cape regulars want to send me before I hit the Cape beaches over Memorial Day weekend with my Dad and (hopefully) Jeff Borkowski!:devil:

05-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Almost there!

Thanks to everyone, and thank each other if you've liked what you've gotten from the community over the past decade. As for me - I can't tell you how great it will be to have a worry-free year in 2009 :D

05-15-2009, 06:54 AM

Paypal worked fine as it did once previously.

One thought from "up north" (VT): One of the issues I believe is that once having given a donation, we just tend to forget about it. Maybe if we picked once a year every year, say April, to raise funds, and published it on the site, we would all remember to belly up. I know the once a year thing would be a wake up for me.

Beyond that I don't think we should go to a "members only" section. The site is a great one now and differentiating memberships can have its own set of issues.


05-15-2009, 06:08 PM
I had a problem trying to get to the donation site using IE :confused: . I switched to firefox and it worked fine.


05-17-2009, 09:31 AM

I am a bit late to this party (as seems to be the case this year) I just sent a donation in as well.

One of the sites I participate in has supporter section & they put up a supporter banner by your name when you pay the yearly fee. He also gives us an increased photo upload space.

05-17-2009, 11:29 AM
I don't visit often, but have appreciated this board over the years, and your generosity in keeping it rolling. Enjoyed the mini-speyclave on the Pemi years back. Will keep an eye on the money-meter, and would kick in again if it needs a little boost.

05-19-2009, 07:40 AM
Any idea how to get it to work?

05-21-2009, 01:35 PM
Glad to help! Smooth transaction with PayPal too.

05-21-2009, 05:07 PM
Reely, reference PayPal. Are you logged in, have a funding option, and used the correct email address for the donation? If so, should not be an issue. Good luck, and thanks for thinking of the forum and its associated costs.

05-22-2009, 09:54 AM
Thanks to a renewal from Quebec Sporting (we love you Ann!) and the generous contributions from members we are on the home stretch this morning and about to be set for the year. Cattaraugus Outfitters also kicked in again and some of the members really went the extra mile to keep the site up. Beaulah Fly Rods will be hosting an auction for a beach rod shortly and we should be done until next year. Anything above and beyond will go to software (e.g. FLASH ( or other site-enhancing features) to make the site better.

I can't tell you what a sigh of relief that will bring each month when the hosting company hits me up for the monthly bill which competes with daughter's college costs, a company-wide 20% pay cut and a pile of debts in the wake of the big 'D' that have me buried. I almost shut 'er down. I had buy offers commercial interests (for only a small slice of what I've put into it) but I knew what that would do to the site.

Thanks to you all we're about to think about what matters most - lifelong friendships, helping the next generation develop a love for the outdoors and exploring flyfishing as an integral part of the life experience.

I imagine the donate button can be taken down over the next day or two - thanks again all, and thank each other.

05-22-2009, 09:58 AM

for all the objection to the 'private info' approach I am sure getting hit up for insider info offline hehe

No worries, I aims ta' please! Just give me enough time to dial it in. I am really only getting started myself but am confident that as the season progresses I will have potent recon to report.

05-22-2009, 10:45 AM
Hey Juro
I think you should leave the donate button where it is.
It certainly does no harm.
It does not make any sense to show the % when 100 is reached.

I am glad that you did not go the private membership way.
A great thing about the forum is meeting new people.


05-23-2009, 12:41 PM
Hi Juro. Sent you a PM. Did you get it?


05-24-2009, 11:14 AM
nothing from you since april 24th

05-24-2009, 03:06 PM
It was not sent after hitting submit button. Worked this time.


05-26-2009, 06:52 AM
Just checked paypal and are a little short but for all intents and purposes we hit goal. At moderators' suggestion I will leave the link up.

I am inspired to make the Forum the best it can be thanks to everyone's support!

05-27-2009, 03:25 PM
Donation submitted thru paypal... Haven't logged on much lately; otherwise, would have been sooner.

05-29-2009, 09:39 AM
Juro - I'm just catching up and I'd be interested in helping out. I'll read through the post and see what's required.