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03-20-2008, 05:18 PM
The thread titled 'Open Invitation' which I wrote recently has been deleted per my request. I came to a conclusion that in trying to help, I may have done more harm than good. Some spots, as big as they seem from outer space are best left to find on your own. I can't change what has been disclosed. To those I upset, I am truly sorry. To those I didn't, please understand that this is a sensitive issue and is best left alone. Case closed.


03-20-2008, 07:11 PM
Phil, I got you PM... anyway, it was removed by Sean M. per your request and I have no problem with it being removed...I guess I am still trying to find out....after having followed the thread...what secrets were actually revealed.... I guess I must have missed something .:confused: ( PS... Now if I were to post all the key "pole numbers" at the canal that I obtained from a regular....that might make some people mad...... I don't know maybe I will...just for fun......Nah! I wont..... or will I?.....(wink) (devil)

03-20-2008, 11:33 PM
Phil, I had to reply to this again. I reread the thread on the moderators forum and I see NOTHING except some disclosures about Sandy Point... and Napatree and a channel.....BIG Deal.... I guess we have no speech rights here insofar as an intent to share fundamental information... to be friendly.... and to continue with the purposes for which this forum was originally set up for. I have seen far more specific information given in countless other reports. I understand you must have received nasty e-mails or PM's...lucky it was not me otherwise I would have posted MORE if I received that stuff... especially when the posts were basically nonspecific. My only other comment is that I wish you had not requested that the thread be removed and bowed to the BS. Naturally, you may have your own reasons to do so and I respect and understand that... You were trying to be helpful ....and I will not leave this to a PM and I am posting this here...not to start a controversy but to back you up ,but, more importantly, to support the very purpose of the Fly fishing forum.... we all know the difference with what you posted and what I jokingly stated about the Pole Numbers.. that WOULD be different because it is specific. For those who fish Chatham, I recall that we post all the basic info..including channels.... bouys..... time of day... and guess what... there seems to be plenty of fish for everyone. This is about fishing....not life or death for Ch***t sake! There was no divulging of secret information and you should be sorry about nothing (I feel like changing the title of this thread, and remove the Apology word with something else I can not post here.):mad:

03-21-2008, 05:34 AM
So many places to fish.......friends to little time.

Lot's can be learned from reading books but there is nothing like time on the water with people that share the same love for the sport. No bridges to burn here least I lose the thing I cherish the most. The ability to share. I took a very good fly fisherman to a sight fishing Nirvana. All the ingredients where dead on que. Tides, the lighting factor, the wind, water temperature and the desire to hook and release some very large, finicky fish. In an effort to provide a very personal experience with someone I admire as a person and fellow fly flinger I learned something. I shared a special spot and gained nothing but knowledge and an enduring friendship. It was the fishing day of all days. We did not hook many fish but David solved a riddle that has been haunting me for many years. It's all about being patient, not giving up, fishing the right fly and presenting it properly. Share and learn. The rewards are finer than gold.

My invitation is still open. The clock is ticking.


03-21-2008, 08:07 AM
Good..... also the fish have to be there or on the the way... where was this "nirvana"????? Do you have details????:hihi: ;) I wonder how many of the guys can remember the Salmon River in NH on Opening side casting possible...but nice conversations with one guy to your right and one guy to your left...maybe literally 5 feet distance between.

03-21-2008, 08:14 AM
Well striblue just naming the spot is specific which is the problem I guess...It is a very tiny spot and with the slow of the monomoy fishery I think the local anglers would rather not have the mags and fisherman descend on the spot like it is the new monomoy. It is a very small area, it would take maybe 60 minutes to walk around the whole area.

You guys did not tell people over the forum where and how to get to big girl bar a few years back...same thing here. It is too small and already can be crowded with people at times and best left off public forums.

I admire Phil wanting to share but in this case maybe just 'I have been fishing a great site fishing area and anyone wanting to know more about it should drop me a line.'

I feel this way and do not even fish the area much and did not go there last year. I fish at night and that is not what that area is about.


03-21-2008, 08:27 AM
Well. I admit I don't know the area...but as you say Big Girls was not stated as specific....But remember all you had to do was go to the Chatham Light..park and look out and voila...there was big girl.... where there was a line of guys... It did not take a public internet disclosure to reveal that...just showing up at a , at the time, much touted "At the Light house". Anyway..the cat was out of the bag so to speak on Phils post... so now he deletes it... and my thinking is that you will have more people down there because of it's deletion...let it stand and it would have probably been forgotten behind tons of future posts being made about all our stuff in the weeks ahead. I sometimes feel that diclosures of areas is oveblown considering there are always changes to the areas.... your own eyes can spot the area if it's near a parking lot and you happen to see guys fishing along a current.... Anyway...I just did not like someone being censured with a friendly post which was clearly not intended as a secret disclousure... after all there is the Rhoddy Clave with invites to all on the forum, even the lurkers can show up as some have at the Cape know, stuff like that... so that's the point in all of this.....But understood nevertheless.

03-21-2008, 09:50 AM

Let me set the record straight... I specifically shared Big Girl (when, where, how) with anyone who would come in person, and come they did - several 40"+ stripers were landed in one morning before the 9am curfew. In fact I did not even attend that morning because another member was sharing with me and I did not want to turn him down. However I had studied that specific area, the mecca, and other related transformations for years.

Perhaps a better example is when I specifically shared my knowledge over the migratory behavior, compiled over 7 years of study, which BTW was then shared with others from as far as the region being debated by those I shared with...

And that's just me, multiply that by the countless generous souls who make up this growing international community.

So although I have no pain nor passion over this particular subject or location I do sense the irony in the argument it presents.


03-21-2008, 10:02 AM
Juro the difference is you shared this stuff in person, not providing google map directions on how to find it. The area has no secret fishing areas or techniques, just knowing about it is the secret.

I share sensitive stuff all the time with person and would not have a problem bringing anyone from the forum there that wanted to go.

I guess if you are into sharing why not just post your milkrun coordinates on the forum...doubt that would happen and for good reason.

I know a few guys who fish that area religiously and it is doing them wrong I feel to publicly list the spot. The people that do fish it a certain level of hush hush is expected.


03-21-2008, 10:08 AM
Ah OK - I admit I did not read the actual post but I see your point on the difference between sharing in person etc.

We do use offline communities to collaborate and share inside info with a good example being Acklins "ridiculous" veterans and those booked to visit Felton and Bob, etc.

Is it spring yet?

03-21-2008, 10:10 AM
Yesterday in fact :)

3-4 more weeks and our finned friends will finally return...and I might be a touch less grumpy.


03-21-2008, 10:23 AM
Yes.. I don't think you are grumpy Sean... and I hope you don't think I am...I just wish that the issue would have come up with something more... I suspect people have Googled Sandy point without the need to be reminded to do it...but I will let it rest.... and I will be sure to have a cab ready for your use, and others, if you come to the Spring clave.:) ;)

03-21-2008, 10:36 AM
:tsk_tsk: :tsk_tsk: :tsk_tsk:

How is this policy of being too specific going to effect the Rhody IceBreaker this year?

Can you see it now? Here's a sample!


We will meet at an undisclosed location at an undisclosed time. Fish miles apart from each other so no one knows we are a group of Internet buddies. Eat cyber burgers at my house on web site
Return home by logging out!

Sounds like a plan especially saving on fuel cost.

03-21-2008, 11:02 AM
John I am looking forward to the spring clave and know I was not the one to ask Phil to take down the post...just presented the side of the story I hear all the time around these parts about that spot.


03-21-2008, 12:42 PM
I many years back I made the mistake of posting on another site about the spectacular fishing I had been experiencing at a upper cape creek, I'm sure you all know which one. This particular creek was no secret location , I not having much experience with the cyber world at the time was very naive at the power in which this media carried. Well after that original post I went back to the creek the very next day, and I'm sure you know what I was met with, the old saying everybody and his brother doesn't even come close to covering it. Needless to say that ended my forage into public sharing as far as specifics go, and came very close to loosing some good friendships, luckily yesterday is like an eternity in the world of fishing ,what action one finds today has no guaranty you'll find it again today or tomorrow ,I was blessed by the fishing gods as they sent the fish somewhere else, so I was labeled as full of crap THANK YOU ,THANK YOU. There are no secret locations ,there are books written about every hot spot out there, it's knowing when the fish show up thats the secret to be kept,and that's what the lurkers are looking for, they let you do all the work, while they sit ready to pounce the moment the cry is heard the fish are in.

Sean Juan
03-21-2008, 12:52 PM

I clicked on that link and I didn't get my Cyber burger - What the Hell!!!

Did my firewall put me on a diet again???

03-21-2008, 04:02 PM
Sean Juan

I clicked on that link and I didn't get my Cyber burger - What the Hell!!!

Did my firewall put me on a diet again???

That's so funny!!! Still laughing!

Must have been a beef recall.

03-21-2008, 04:16 PM
Capt. Ray, does this new "openness" mean that I no longer need to keep a blindfold on until we get to your personal secret spots when I go out with you?
Sean & others have never made me wear one!

03-21-2008, 04:42 PM
Capt. Ray, does this new "openness" mean that I no longer need to keep a blindfold on until we get to your personal secret spots when I go out with you?
Sean & others have never made me wear one!

He does that to you too? ;)

03-21-2008, 07:02 PM
I see this issue from another point of view......I don't see the problem as someone letting people know about a specific me......the problem is when unsporting idiots take advantage of those already fishing at a specific location on a particular day.
I'm sure that many of you remember the problem that occurred about 2 years ago at Stage Harbor Inlet.....a post when out that it was hot, and the day I went I saw at least 12 guys fishing on the sand point at the entrance (10 too many)
Later, South Beach got hot....I remember posting a not so nice post about sportsmanship (lack there of)...if you remember that post it basically said that everywhere Garry and I went on the flats, we were immediately surrounded by at least 4 guys who were at times no more than 6 ft away from us. The following week I was there alone and some yahoo actually came right beside me and casted over my line. I remember taking about 4 Zanax, waited for them to make me semi conscious and then staying..."excuse me...look up and you notice that there are 6 miles of flats here?" The idiot left in a huff because I was non sporting.
I have a favorite spot on NM....but twice last year, from a distance I saw that 2 guys were already there....I don't own the spot..I didn't go there and ruin it for them...I just went to option #2.
To me a little bit of sportsmanship and respect for others would do a great deal to lessen the fear that posting a great spot brings.
Sad to say...idiots exist and ruin it for people who are there and or are willing to share info.
Ron's .02
PS: By the way....I heard that wading out to the North Beach break from Minister's Point is hot the during whole walk!!! :lildevl:

03-21-2008, 07:53 PM
"wading Ministers to North Beach is hot" Especially night skishing the new cut on an outgoing.

03-21-2008, 08:50 PM
Cripe..... :eek: mean that venue is hot day and night!!!!!...thanks for the heads up and sharing. :)

03-21-2008, 09:15 PM
FrenchCreek quote: Capt. Ray, does this new "openness" mean that I no longer need to keep a blindfold on


The real reason for the blindfold is the bumper sticker on my console that says,
"How's my driving?" Call 1.800.XXXX.

You're my super delegate. :chuckle:
Need your support.

03-21-2008, 09:26 PM
He does that to you too? ;)

You no longer have to wear the blindfold. But, you must leave the GPS unit in the car!! :hihi: :hihi:

03-21-2008, 10:02 PM
Sean, I just got back from Plymouth and saw all the activity here...I just want to confirm your post that I do know it was not you who asked Phil to remove a thread that was already DAYS old. We can argue about what is secret and what is not like arguing about what a fly is till the bars close. I guess the disclosure of a greneral location to me is secondary... Make no mistake about this....but the PRIMARY issue here, underlying the issue of what is secret and what is not... is that someone intimidated, cajoled , another member ( a decent unintending guy)of this forum to remove a thread. That's what I didn't like and that's my gripe...and the apology thread. That I can not figure out (Phil felt is was necessary..that is his call).... unless there was a "flame" which the moderators and everyone else knows it when they see it...

Sean Juan
03-21-2008, 10:27 PM
I have the solution...

We'll make a post here about the awesome blitzes taking place at some beach in P-town...

Then we'll make a post on,, and about the awesome "action" at that very beach...

Then just wait as the problem solves itself.

03-22-2008, 05:57 AM
Now that Phil is infamous , I'm going to take up his invitation and fish Location X.:lildevl:
Sean Juan and Warren care to joins us in your yaks? Sean bring the cyber burgers. I'll bring the cyber fries. FishHawk:hihi: :chuckle:
Perhaps we should have Tee Shirts made up for the Forum. Rip Trip Spot Burners . :chuckle:

03-23-2008, 06:02 AM
Location X huh? Sounds good to me, I'll bring some Cyber Beer :D

03-25-2008, 07:34 PM
oo, a location x near me in SE CT? i'll bring the grindahs!!!