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: Chatham Light / Harding's Beach this Sat am?


Tod D
10-10-2000, 09:24 AM
For the 1st time in a long while, I've a Saturday morning free. Anyone interested in an early morning in Chatham? Was thinking Lighthouse beach @ dawn, maybe a hike around to Hardings for the incoming... Realize tide phase may not be conducive, etc., but I've an urge to get out while I can.

i'm so outta here
10-10-2000, 12:11 PM
TodD,

I'll be at the light pre-dawn Sat. along with a few others. Tides are fairly conducive: minus low (-.06) at ~9 AM.

Final call at big girl bar http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Happy.gif

Al

TinMan
10-10-2000, 02:02 PM
TodD,

Your email bounces as Unknown User.

FYI: see the topic "Chatham Redemption: 10/14,10/15"

Tod D
10-10-2000, 07:28 PM
Mike - thanks for the heads up on my email address. Changed it not so recently & forgot to change it here.

AlD - what's the parking situation? I'll be coming down from the South Shore circa 5 am. Is it ok at the lighthouse till 9:00 am?

Thanks,
Tod

FredA
10-11-2000, 06:37 AM
I've bartared for quality fishing time and it looks like I'll get to belly up Saturday for one more shot. Looks like the grand finale for me. I'm tired of the negotiating process and I've got other things to catch up on. Hope to see you all there.

Regards,
Fred A.

juro
10-11-2000, 08:22 AM
Tod -

Off season parking is clear past 9am. Hope to see you there!

Juro

Tod D
10-11-2000, 09:12 AM
Juro

Outstanding! I'm aiming for 5-5:15 arrival. Big 'ol sandeels still the pattern of choice? May have to hit the bench tonight.

TinMan
10-11-2000, 01:13 PM
Pathetic Cry For Help:

Anyone willing to sell a couple of these flies? My local supplier didn't have anything like them and I don't think I'll have a chance to look anywhere else before Sat.

Hawkeye
10-11-2000, 01:30 PM
You can't buy them but you are welcome to a couple of our Juro inspired versions.

i'm so outta here
10-11-2000, 01:41 PM
Mike,

I'll be tying some up either tonight or tomorrow and will bring extras.

Al

Tod D
10-11-2000, 02:44 PM
Ditto from me too as I'll tie some up tonight & tomorrow night. Any particular colors preferred - or is it Juro's rainbow-topped version?

juro
10-11-2000, 03:45 PM
Tod -

I tied up a bunch during the MARINERS game list night too.

There are really three 'layers' to the deep eel:

a) the light bottom layer
b) the middle transition layer and
c) the back

Large live / healthy sand eels typically have a cream white / silvery belly. Above that is a transition through green or tan/brown often with almost neon chartreuse highlights along the length of the body. Once dead or stressed out their color changes drastically, but in good health they exhibit bright coloration. The back varies from sandy light tan to root beer to emerald green with every possible color in between. Eyes are relatively small for the body size, but distinct. Snout is sharply pointed and the tail is minute. They can be easily distinguished from other bait when in open water by the multiple bends they have in their bodies as they swim. Those buried in the sand scurry a few feet and re-bury themselves, or sometimes get disoriented and splash on the surface like they don't know which end is up.

The bottom layer varies for me only in the core material, flash choices, etc - typically white ultrahair with a core of ice-pearl looking flashabou, pearl firefly, yellow pearl flashabou, or pearl angel hair, etc - tied into the center of the white ultrahair. I tie the body 4-5 times the length of a standard hook shank, unlike the clouser minnow which is much shorter.

The transition is where I do my experimenting, layering chartruese flashabou or yellow gold sparkle flash or nothing at all under a layer of tan, seafoam or light olive ultrahair.

Be careful to taper all clusters to form a very thin tail, simply by pulling the strands to different lengths with the center being longest before tying in, and matching to the rest of the fly.

Then the back - which is either dark olive, peacock or rainbow angel hair under dark olive ultrahair for green backs;

brass colored angel hair under root beer colored ultra hair for brown;

two-tones of sandy brown ultrahair and no flash for real stealthy versions when the sand eels look like sand itself.

For Monomoy I tie with suggestion in mind, with very subtle tones that suggest that a big sand eel is there but by making it harder to see the big fish seem to be less hesitant when sight fishing on the flats.

Smaller versions with various flash combinations are handy for tunoids and schoolies as well.

But to answer your question - either a green or brown backed realistic sand eel in larger sizes that can be fished down and dirty in a fast ebb current to get the attention of the 20-30 pound fish we are teasing.

Juro

TinMan
10-11-2000, 04:46 PM
What a great bunch! Thanks for the fly offers!

Prediction: Saturday, Partly cloudy. High near 70 (!)

See you at the "Indian Summer Clave"?

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Tod D
10-11-2000, 06:55 PM
Juro - do I detect a none-too-subtle plug for that team from Seattle? They did look good last night. As always, thanks for the sand eel insight. Now I just have to get the boys to bed, take care of an hour or so of work, then try to bang out a few flies while watching Dubya and Gore.

Nick
10-11-2000, 08:26 PM
Juro,
Well I made a few juvie patterns watching the YANKEE'S game this evening. I still can't believe that a die hard fan found his way into the heart of Red Sox world. Ugh. I can't wait to hear the replies to this one. Off to the North Shore tomorrow. Hope the boss won't mind me being a little late.
Nick

juro
10-11-2000, 08:39 PM
ARGgggGGGG!!!! Things were going great until the 8th.

I'm thinking I'm gonna set my biological alarm clock for north-shore thirty. I have a meeting at 9:30am, 10am, 11am and one in the late afternoon.

If I leave the house at 4am, get off the water at 8am... that's three hours of fishing and nearly that much driving and a 3pm nap at the desk. (I think I just talked myself out of going...)

Hawkeye
10-12-2000, 10:43 AM
Well I wanted to do the Light but my brother has twisted my arm and talked me into some off road fun to fish the beaches of Nauset. We will have room for 3 others in the jeep if anyone else is interested. The meeting time will be at 5am in the Nauset beach parking lot. This is a new area for us so we would love the company either to share in the learning experience or to show us the ropes.

Mike,
It looks like you had a few other offers for flies (and very, very likely better ones) so you should be all set but I'll have them if you want to join our group.

Juro,
I was planning on bringing your gear but if you don't join us I'll leave it at home and we can make other arrangements. I think I may be up your way tomorrow around lunch time if that would work for you.

juro
10-12-2000, 03:50 PM
Gregg -

That's a tasty offer... I will be showing NateM from Seattle around, and planned to start at big girl. There will be a lot of people there and it might be a bit tight especially when the currents running.

I'll ask Nate and leave it up to him.

When you get on the beach, there are mutliple accesses. We found that if you take the earliest accesses onto the beach you're much better off. The beach is straight and level and you get to inspect the water. The inside roads are curvy and deep and you don't see what you're missing.

Even still, there are places where you must get off the beach. I suggest getting off the beach and getting back on the next access.

I think it was access #2 to get on, access #7 off, #8 back on, etc.

I would advise putting some time in at Chatham inlet, all the way down at the south end. Although you might spend time there and find nothing happening, I believe it's a spot where you hang in there and something will happen eventually.

Low tide is 8:30ish, so you'll have an early low to incoming which is not the best on the big beach. The inlet on the other hand will be getting any fish rushing to feed on the silversides and sand eels on the shoals at Chatham Bars.

I would not hesitate to work way up inside with the water temps being what they are.

We hit it last week but everything was slow - and we ran out of time. I felt something was about to happen the entire time we were there.

Gregg -

Why don't we meet at exit #6 24 hour burger king on our way east. It looks like you are in the jeep so I will not stick you with the table. I'll leave it with Bigcat instead, he's got a huge Ram truck bed. I would like to get my gear tho.

Let me know what time.

Juro

Hawkeye
10-13-2000, 10:34 AM
We have one taker on the Nauset beach Jeep assault and that leaves two more seats. To avoid any mix-ups we have changed the meeting spot to the exit 6 Burger King at 4:30 and we can all caravan from there.

Juro,

How about 4:30am at the exit 6 Burger King?

juro
10-13-2000, 04:39 PM
Gregg -

Sounds good, I'll be there. If I somehow miss the timing (re: drive down from home in the wee hours) just hang on to the rod but my plans are to be there at that time.

Anybody interested in the South Monomoy bonus trip? I'll be taking Nate Mantua over there after the tide bottoms out at Chatham.

i'm so outta here
10-13-2000, 08:07 PM
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TinMan
10-16-2000, 04:37 PM
Just wanted to thank Mike and Gregg for their Jeep hospitality! Had a great time!

Sorry about the bananas.

Hawkeye
10-16-2000, 04:54 PM
Mike,

You are very welcome it was our pleasure and I'm sorry we didn't get any action. Those bannanas can really put a crimp in the fishing. http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Happy.gif" border="0" align="middle">

The basic report go's like this. Mike, Mike and I arrived to make our assault on the Nauset point at about 5:45am. We were met with no resistance from the striper ranks and our flies swam freely and unmolested until about 10am when we decided to make the trek to Race Point and see if we could change our luck. On the way there IronMike broke out his lunch and we discovered he had brought bannanas! I freaked out on him and in a fit of fear he threw them out the window. Bannanaless we hit the Race beach with confidence but only managed a couple of hits and no hook-ups. The bannana taint was on us bad and we couldn't shake it so we called it a day.

Anyone know what is so bad about bannanas? Is it because skunks like them so much? <img src="http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Happy.gif

TinMan
10-16-2000, 08:48 PM
BTW: Al, Juro - THANKS for the flies! Someone had mentioned that they caught a sand eel on Juro's so it must be good. Well, when we were on the tip of south Nauset a couple of real rough looking bait slingers were there. I walked by and they asked how I was doing. Then they asked what I was using (I'm pretty sure they didn't know it was a flyrod) and I whipped the rod around and showed them and they said together "Oh, sandeels!" Great pattern Juro! http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif