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: Unusual to me fly rod designation

Bob Pauli
12-22-2007, 10:49 AM
Perhaps Flytyer and others can explain this.

A friend visiting from the UK mentioned his #5/8 weight fly rod. I bet him $5 that description of the designation was wrong, since a spread of 5-6-7-8 seemed unlikely for a single-hand rod.

He sent the attached photo, and I owe him 5 bucks.

Inscription on the rod:

#5/8 9'3" Mackenzie-Philps Ltd
The Yorkshire Graphite Rod

Will those familiar with UK standards comment on whether such designations are common?

12-22-2007, 03:49 PM
Did it come with more than one tip? It's not terribly unusual for a rod to have one tip different than another so that it could cover mulitple line weights. When Kerry Burkheimer had Cairnton Rods years ago he had a multi-tip single handed rod that covered that same group of line weights.

12-23-2007, 01:01 AM
How many pieces is the rod? How old is it? It's impossible to read anything in that photo, do you have a larger size you can post?

Willie Gunn
12-23-2007, 03:44 AM
I would imagine it is a slow rod so has a largish window, modern fast rods need a very precise line weight slower rods less so.
On salmon rods Bruce and Walker make a 7-10.

12-24-2007, 02:30 PM
My thoughts are similar to Malcolm's although I differ with him in that all graphite rods regardless of stiffness or taper exhibit this ability to toss multiple line weights. A few years back (actually more like 15) when Walton Powell was still alive and making his own graphite rods, he used 3 and 4 line weight designations on them because of the ability of graphite to cast different line weights on the same rod.

For example, take a very fast, stiff, radical taper rod like the Sage TCR single-hander 6 wt. I like the rod with a WF6 line on it, but there are many who claim it is not a 6 wt and is really an 8 or even a 9 wt due to its stiffness and the need to put a lot of wood to it when casting a WF6.

Another example is the old Sage 9140-4 "brownie" 2-hander, which was labeled a 9/10. I hated it with the 9/10/11 Windcutter many loved it with because it bent into the cork all the time with that line and really slowed the rod down; however, I found it a rather nice, pleasant casting rod when I lined it with a 5/6 Windcutter, which is supposedly too light to properly load the rod.

Also, lest not forget that if one puts a shooting taper on a rod, you go up 1 or 2 line sizes. therefore, this particular rod maker might perhaps just labeled the rod with all possible line weights the rod would work with: i.e. a DT5 or long belly 5 single hand line; a WF6; a ST7, and a ST8. I'm certain that all of the experienced good single hand casters here on the board have used different line weights on the same rod depending on the line taper and where the rod was being used.

12-27-2007, 02:29 PM
yup, its unusual to me. i've seen 6/7 and 6/7/8 but never 4 weights.

I never heard of the maker, although there was a fishing writer called Peter Mckenzie Philps in the 1980's according to google UK.

I have to ask how old is the rod - perhaps if it is early 1980's they thought it could handle 4 weights due to the 'new' graphite ?


Bob Pauli
01-01-2008, 01:45 PM
Thanks for your replies, folks. I forwarded the thread to my UK friend for his comments.