CND 1109 (9/10) vs Loomis FR13510 (10/11) Beach Rod [Archive] - Fly Fishing Forum

: CND 1109 (9/10) vs Loomis FR13510 (10/11) Beach Rod


DickIvers
10-27-2007, 04:51 PM
Has anyone been able to test/compare these 2-handers. The Loomis is rated for 425 grain heads. I don't know about the CND 9/10, but I've heard it works with a Rio Outbound 10 wt. line, which has has a 425 grain head weight. So it seems the two rods are closely matched.

jfbasser
10-27-2007, 09:06 PM
I have used both in one size up for Skagit casting. The Loomis is a faster rod.

Warren
10-28-2007, 09:39 AM
I have not had the chance to cast a Loomis rod yet. However I do own an CND Atlantis 1011. It does perform quite well with a 10 Wt Outbound like you say. As a matter of fact that is what Juro suggested I use.

Interestingly enough Rio recommends one wt heavier i.e. WF-11 for the 9/10 rod and a WF 13 for the 11/12 rod. This is according to their line recommendation chart in the spey section of their website.

I know this is not what you were asking really , but the information may be of some value

DickIvers
10-28-2007, 11:41 AM
Warren, Just to clear up my understanding ....do you have both the CND 9/10 and the CND 10/11 ? Which rod uses the RIO Outbound 10 wt. intermediate?

Warren
10-28-2007, 12:46 PM
Yes I have both. The 9/10 uses the 10 wt line. Sorry for the confusion . In the above post I typed 1011 by mistake when I meant 9/10

barramundi-uk
11-25-2007, 05:37 PM
Has anyone tried the Loomis 12 / 13 ?? Thats the one I have my eye on, mostly for GT popping I should add , although Im sure I would bring the rod to the States for some deep down Striper fishing.

Oz

Sean Juan
12-01-2007, 09:26 AM
I have the Loomis 12/13 - I love it. Its my big fly rod.

The best line I've found for it is the older style Orvis 12wt shooting heads which were 38' long. The Airflo beach line works but not as well. Doesn't seem like a head difference of just 3' would make so much difference but it really does.

I'm sure the Outbound would work if it came in a bigger size - I know they have the 12wt int but so far I haven't seen a 12wt fast sink anywhere.

Compared to the CND its a much faster rod that loads and casts from the tip - I'm not an expert with the two-hand cast but when you get it right its scary powerful.

Only real complaint is that it takes a big fish to put a bend in the rod.

jfbasser
12-01-2007, 06:28 PM
The Loomis 12/13 also works well in moving water with a 750 grain Skagit head and about 10 feet of T-14.

barramundi-uk
01-18-2008, 05:16 PM
The Loomis 12/13 also works well in moving water with a 750 grain Skagit head and about 10 feet of T-14.

Thanks for that I should get my paws on her pretty soon. It looks like Im going to have to play around with Fly Lines. Im hopeing the Airflo Ridge GT 12 # Will put a bend in her as the plan is to use very large poppers for GT 's in the Seychelles.

Any coldwater Intermediates suited ? I would like to use her in the Surf

Cheers

Oz

juro
01-19-2008, 05:09 AM
It's good to see the idea has given birth to a new category of two-handers in the industry and it seems the marketing has adopted the nickname I'd coined ('beach rod') for this category. Ironically while cleaning out the house for sale recently I stumbled upon a prototype I had made by Aubert Smith aka 'Smitty' in the 90's. Sage participated by providing the blanks. At that time all manufacturers I contacted felt it was much too small of a market, perhaps they were right but sometimes ideas come to light over time.

'Beach cast' is another related term we may hear more often for the combination of a shooting switch cast ('switch' is a Spey cast variety) and a single backcast to throw a significant distance with a two-hander and to really appreciate the application the two should be used together along with other casts of course.

The application of floating lines and two-handers that Sean, Adrian and others have adapted based on Ken Abrames techniques is pretty cool.

It will be interesting to see how competition moves this idea forward.

Evolution is good.

flydoc
01-19-2008, 12:56 PM
Ironically while cleaning out the house for sale recently...:whoa:

Where ya movin' to bro???
Hopefully closer to a certain arm-shaped spit of sand we all know and love:devil:
Flydoc

juro
01-19-2008, 08:02 PM
Closer to the hub of live music 7 nights a week where the crowd's arms are bent with containers of frothy liquid. Playing every day trying to get on the other side of the PA system.

Luckily I don't drink, smoke or swear.

Oh **** I left my cigarettes at the bar. :lildevl:

flydoc
01-19-2008, 08:25 PM
Closer to the hub of live music 7 nights a week where the crowd's arms are bent with containers of frothy liquid.

Are you referring to that "quaint drinking village with a fishing problem" just east of my humble abode?:hihi:
Flydoc

teflon_jones
01-20-2008, 03:53 PM
I've been looking at the Loomis single handers and they are the fastest and best casting rods for saltwater fishing I've ever picked up.

juro
01-20-2008, 06:37 PM
It's prudent to note that to some people the words 'fastest' and 'best casting' are mutually exclusive. For me it depends on the application - brook trout or bluefish? Long belly or head? Flats on foot or rips from a boat?

I do like and own some rods people would call fast, but personally for what it's worth I always prefer a rod with lots of power (recovery) but hate stiffness because of the short stroke window and lack of feedback.

Feedback while flycasting, IMHO, should be describable as "sweet" with an ability to move line that contradicts that sweetness. It's that unexpected imbalance between the "give" and the "go" that makes a rod exceptional for me.

.02

barramundi-uk
01-21-2008, 05:55 PM
It's prudent to note that to some people the words 'fastest' and 'best casting' are mutually exclusive. For me it depends on the application - brook trout or bluefish? Long belly or head? Flats on foot or rips from a boat?

I do like and own some rods people would call fast, but personally for what it's worth I always prefer a rod with lots of power (recovery) but hate stiffness because of the short stroke window and lack of feedback.

Feedback while flycasting, IMHO, should be describable as "sweet" with an ability to move line that contradicts that sweetness. It's that unexpected imbalance between the "give" and the "go" that makes a rod exceptional for me.

.02

So what 9 # Single hander do you use on the Cape ?