: Rip Trips for 2008
10-07-2007, 08:12 AM
I will speak with Keith on the 08 season. I am hopeful to schedule many trips... also discus with him the numbers... for example if birders are going down, how many fisherman can go?.... can we have any numbers with a max of 15?...can, say, two guys go if necessary if the boat is filled with walkers? Can we schedule these trips weekly starting in May..or earlier ? We need to do this because of the weather cancellations... In fact, I am going to schedule one for one at least once...me, and I will pay the $300 since it's still less, or equal money, for a shore guide. I would not need to take a shore guy anyway. The bite , as we have seen, is probably better from the rip than drifting a boat though the area . At some point could I get 2 others for $100 each for the day...Questions like this will be discussed with Keith. How about the situation where Keith can do it with one nights notice. On a regular summer day, midweek or weekend, we have 5 or 6 Forum guys going to NM or SB.... how about a last minute trip to the tip... providing Keith can fit it in to his days schedule...we usually leave before the seal trips and come back after the last seal trip. One way or another, and now with the bigger boat ,we need to schedule more of these inbetween the usual past scheduling; and what about the mid location trip...This will give us four choices instead of the usual two location choices of SB and NM...just my thoughts.
John, excellent points. Unless we get a new cut at S. Beach to refresh the area, I'm afraid it is done except early spring. The exception on S. Beach is the oceanside, which can be awesome during the migration. We also have the option of the north tip of S. Monomoy. Good structure to the west and south near Minimoy. A few of us did the midway on S. Monomoy, and it is definitely worth a trip - good flats and structure north of the drop-off. Plus, it is only a short walk to the oceanside at the dropoff.The rip is still the crown jewel. Trips in May could be epic since it is a great ambush point for the migrants.
10-07-2007, 11:19 AM
John I am certainly game for all of the above. It seems as though when we make long term plans they get torpedoed by the weather.
If we can convince the good captain to take a few of us down on short notice, I am willing to spend what it takes.
Like I said before, For the few times I am able to go, it is cheaper than owning a boat capable of getting out there.
If I am already down there & things do not work out there is always the other locations that can serve as a back up. I plan on buying a SOT Yak this winter for bayside fun next year without having to quit early due to the tide.
Never the less the Rip is truly a shore fisherman's dream come true.
I like the idea of starting earlier too. may give more of us a chance to get down there. If the Plovers don't screw things up......although the first trip the signs were up.
10-07-2007, 05:55 PM
A question I have is the Rip Trip exclusive to Forum members only? My vote is that it remains so.
Warren , I too am going to do more yakking in 08. That's the reason I got the yak in the first place but I haven't used it that often because to the fishing was so good without it. Things have changed and will change . Let's see what the Winter brings. FishHawk
10-07-2007, 06:25 PM
Bill, I agree with the FFF use. I also believe that Keith is on board with that. Right now it's Juro or I that can schedule and Jim Sims can as well. But I know Keith will not feel comfortable with opening it up uncontrolled by him.
10-08-2007, 05:01 AM
While I am not one for excessive oversight on most things. There are exceptions. I think these rip trips should be under the control of very few and only forum members be aloud to participate. That way we can police our own as the saying goes
As most of us know, South Monomoy is a National Wildlife Refuge and a real unspoiled gem right in our own over developed back yards. It should remain that way.
We should also not get in the way of Keith and his relationship with the folks at the refuge. Let them call the shots. After all they are the people that allow this to happen in the first place. If people start going down there willy nilly it will be the end of the trips. I am all for letting yourself, Juro Or JimS handle the scheduling. That way there are not to many cooks spoiling the stew
10-08-2007, 07:10 AM
Good morning from Chatham... I wimped out after going down to the refuge with the SW wind honking and the rain coming down.... decided to wait it out at the Stone Horse for a while... heading back to Nahant tomorrow so hopefully will get some in today and tomorrow.
Please keep me in the loop for future Rip Trips...
John thank you for coming down the other day to inform me of the cancellation.
sradin...great fishing with you..
Paxton thanks for trying to contact me last night about this morning cancellation...call me today if you are in the area.
I am beginning to hate the word cancellation... grrrrrrrrrrr
10-08-2007, 08:31 AM
I agree with the cautions, expressed by John & Warren, that a careful, consistent central control is important for the well-being of these trips. I also concur that we can't control the weather, so most of the planning will be fairly short term.
Is there a possibility of an overnight(s) trip to the south lighthouse? If so, that might be an exception to the short term m/o.
Zero-eight is gonna be great!
10-08-2007, 09:34 AM
Todd, I am glad you mentioned that.... Juro, Penguin, Grizz and I went down for a great overnight , and a couple weeks later, Jim Sims spent the night. We went down with a group of Birders, including Doctor Ed who brought his faimily down and spent a lot of time flyfishing as well. The Light house was being worked on this past season and I understand that it will be available next season. My plan, which I have discussed with Keith and Mike( Director of the refuge), is to "plan" several overnights just for Flyfishermen. I think the maximum number is 10 people, and a "guide" or house carekeeper will have to join us. Someone who knows the rules and also prepares meals for us...although Juro did a great breakfast and the Bluefish catch tasted good too. We need to take the wooden window blocks off and do some preparation to get the place ready for the weekend once we get there. But it is a short walk to the Rip and we get to work various tides and other locations. The walk though the interior is interesting...the fresh water pond, old rusted Model T's, and old foundations from the little village that was once there, wandering deer, etc. make this a great take. I hope that this coming season opens more trips to the Tip and "several" overnights at the lighthouse. Sitting on the deck at sunset was a treat (including Grizz's collection of High end scotch , $300 bottles! ) at that location and early morning was a sight. We all had to pity and joke about the guests at the Chatham bars Inn that weekend .Check and search back on this Forum for the pictures we took from the last overnight. It's usually a 7am departure time on a Saturday morning with a 4pm pickup on Sunday.
10-08-2007, 09:57 AM
Here are some pics I moved here:
10-08-2007, 10:08 AM
10-08-2007, 11:15 AM
That overnight trip looks very interesting!
What is the cost?
10-08-2007, 12:48 PM
Must do this next season :smokin:
10-08-2007, 01:21 PM
I'd totally be up for that, fishing the rip at full dark must be awesome.
10-08-2007, 01:54 PM
Mike, I don't remember exactly...but for some reason I remember a $100 figure...$100 exactly each...at that time. Sean- yes... at Dusk also...I don't know at Dawn, since That stuff grizz brought forced me to sleep in at dawn.:lildevl: I do remember watching grizz and juro make there way across the moors with headlamps...bumping into each other along a narrow path in the distance.
10-08-2007, 02:01 PM
John et al, I really like the idea of more Rip Trips and "controlled" access & booking for FFF members. From a "traveller" perspective, I could count on making one or two rip tripsover a two week schedule, rather than depend on only a few trips available while I'm theer. There are others who like me travel great distances to visit the Cape & surrounding fishery and the opportunity for a Rip Trip is always a Highlite of my trips. Lastly, this approach might well reduce the "organization" issues that come with First Come-First Served booking for these trips and allow more flexibility in planning other outings on the Cape for travellers like me and others. As for an overnighter, this would also ease the issue of wifey having to drive me at 6 AM!
10-09-2007, 07:15 PM
I believe that the poidy oil that you are referencing is a 30year old Arbeg sherry cask first fill and after i press the enter key, i am going to have a wee dram. Thank for the memories John
10-09-2007, 09:48 PM
I don't have a problem with more rip trips in 08. I just need a minimum of $300 as of today. With fuel at $4.50 a gallon an a 20gallon burn to drop off and another 20 gallons to pick up, you can see why I asked to move the number up to 15. It's a double edge sword in needing the bigger boat to get there, but it also comes with a bigger expense to operate. Now that I know more of you are willing to jump on at a moments notice, I can offer more trips to the lighthouse. My mom was very eager to run day trips down there, but I had a hard time coming up with 5 people minimum ,at $60, to go on the same day. Next year I will post the days people are looking to go on the field walk, and combine the two groups to get everyone down there.
As far as staying overnight, I will put in a request next year after hearing about the status of the lighthouse conditions. Also, certain times of the spring and summer the lighthouse quarters are filled with Refuge staff, so if at all. it would most likely be a late summer- fall time frame. I know the refuge maint. man from Sudbury put a good week in down there trying to clean up the lighthouse and fix some of the damages from the Dec 05 winter-cane.
I fully agree and suggested originally, that this be for forum members only. SM is somehow very different than SB or NM, and needs to be protected more by all that venture down there. This is not a place that could handle the heavy traffic that SB and NM endure day and day out during the season. I have to laugh to myself when certain Guides complain to me, about how crowded it is at SB and NM, considering they, their store and corporate sponsor created the problem during the 90s. I think we are a different breed here and all try to avoid the future head scratch and saying "what the hell have we done!!"
Even after 18 years of fishing the flats at NM, every summer we have fisherman walking through closed areas and these are seasoned veterans, Professionals and newcombers. Some even do it after I give them their final verbal warning before leaving the boat in the morning. This is why I like to have one person in charge down there. Juro, John and Jim know the refuge system, they know this is a privilege trip, and that it can be gone in one written ticket. Having the :eek:s on the ground down there is just another way of making sure things are done right, so we can continue to go back year after year.
Waiting for May of 08
10-09-2007, 09:58 PM
Thanks for that Keith...I am sure we are all in agreement with the points you mention and we will continue to value the privilege knowing that it is just that. Looking forward to the trips we can do, including the Light house, as well as our usual trips to SB and NM. See you soon.
10-10-2007, 04:41 AM
John , sign me up for an overnight. Not to beat a dead horse, but when I attended the Refuge Meetings , Mike stressed if anyone stepped on a bird's nest a report would go all the way up to Washington!!!!! And the result would be not very good for us. The Fish and Wildlife Service takes very seriously the protection of the endangered Plover. I know we all make jokes about this but they mean business.
08 looks like a great season. FishHawk
10-10-2007, 07:10 AM
Thats a question I had...I'm not very boat savvy. But how come none of those boats in the area ever anchored and came to shore - like they do in Pleasant bay?
Is it because the sea conditions are too difficult, or because they aren't allowed too?
10-10-2007, 07:24 AM
FWIW I'm in full agreement with everyone above; we should keep the Rip to ourselves. It's much easier to police people we know, not that I've seen anyone who really needs policing. With SB virtually dead most of the season, and NM crowded during season and fish dropping way off after June, I would definitely be in favor of more Rip trips. I'm sure Dad (Paxton) would probably feel the same way.
10-10-2007, 07:25 AM
There is very limited shore access down there and many areas of beach are totally closed all the way down to the water's edge.
The refuge publishes a map highlighting the open / closed areas. This tends to vary according to the season & bird migrations but some areas remain closed year-round.
Here's the latest from the refuge website but best to check locally in case there have been any last minute updates:
10-10-2007, 07:29 AM
Sean..I think they are not allowed , otherwise you would see boats all along the western shoreline like you see up in the tub on South Beach...not to mention the wind conditions that can blow up. Don't forget we had one trip where the wind blew up quickly ,a 30 mile plus SW wind while we were down there...Keith could not get down there and we had to walk about 8 miles, around the point, past the light house and up to the very end of the North Tip... we all got to the refuge around 7pm.... and very tired. Stop by the rufuge for a map of the area where it shows the restrictions. There maybe one or two areas on the south island where you can drop off...after you get permission from the refuge...but they are rare . When you see people walking on shore it's usually staff of the refuge, hikers or birders ...or us...with permission. I saw one guy beach his boat and spin cast near us...did not have my radio then .... also I have seen a boat beached near the powder hole with beach goers.... I don't know what happened...but with our radios I would call them in to the refuge next time. Send Chad after them.
10-10-2007, 08:28 AM
By the way,... and I know some are thinking this... forgot to say that there have been a number of times where I could have been dropped off by friends in Chatham who have boats, some fish others simply take families out for boat rides ....and could have dropped me off and then picked me up at the end of the day (a "quick" drop off and pickup)...BUT... because of the rules I can not do that...
10-10-2007, 09:27 AM
As John suggested, access to S. Monomoy is limited, so landing a boat on the beach is forbidden. We are very priviledged to have the opportunity to fish there. (thanks Keith) Having last Sunday's rip trip canceled due to weather, I missed my first chance to fish there and get to meet some of you guys. So now I am looking forward to joining you guys for a few trips in 2008. In the recent years I have brought my 16' boat part of the way down the west coast of S. Mononmoy and anchored up on sandbars off shore. I live in NH and only get down this way 8 - 10 times a year. However, if we could work it out it would be my pleasure to take a few of you along.
10-20-2007, 06:10 PM
I have nothing but fond memories..........
10-20-2007, 11:12 PM
Mark, Thanks for that picture... remember all the whales breaching off the shore.... One breached behind us as the picture was taken...:devil: