: Looking for a versatile fly rod......
07-07-2007, 01:06 AM
I'm looking to move up to a more "premium" fly rod. I own a St. Croix Avid series 8'6" 5 weight, and a 3 weight, 8'6" Temple Fork Professional series rod. I use the 3 weight more, because I like the weight better.....It doesn't feel like I'm casting with a telephone pole!! I plan on going on a trip to Montana and Colorado next summer and I am looking for a versatile rod I can still make my go-to rod here in WV.
I'm looking into several rods, and am asking opinions of them....I do plan on casting them next week at Harry Murray's shop in VA.
Here are the "contestants:"
Orvis T3 8'4" 3 weight
Orvis T3 9' 4 weight
Orvis Zero Gravity 9' 4 weight
Winston Boron IIt 9' 4 wt
Winston Boron IIt 8' 3 wt
Scott G2 9' 4 wt
any opinions would be greatly appreciated...
07-07-2007, 06:43 AM
I would lean towards a 5 Wt if I was going after bigger trout especially in larger rivers or fast moving water, but that is subjective, a 4 wt will get it done too.
I have a Avid 3 wt that casts like similar to your 5 wt I don't like it much either, subsequently I don't use it much.
I would have a look at a few Sage rods as well to get a comparison. It sounds as if you may prefer a softer rod as opposed to a fast action rod. ( but I may be reading that wrong) Try a Sage VT2 or a SLT in addition to the other Rods you have listed if you can. Try to use the same line on all of them. Sometimes a line change can make a decided difference in the way a rod casts.
The Orvis Zero-G's and T-3 rods have a few different Flex ratings, mid flex being a little slower or softer than the fast action tip flex rods. Try both kinds and see if one suits you better.
I have no experience with Scott or Winston Rods. But I hear good things about both form people who fish them.
The high end rods and their aluminum tubes are nice( I know I own several), but the ones that come in a nylon tube are just as capable of catching fish. don't overlook a lower price rod in your quest to find that perfect rod. You may be surprised in what you find at the mid range of the price scale. My favorite trout rod is a Sage DS-2 8'6" five wt. It was not real expensive & with the right line is a real performer.
07-07-2007, 03:32 PM
I use the 3 weight more, because I like the weight better.....It doesn't feel like I'm casting with a telephone pole!!
By this are you referring to the physical weight or the rods action?
I plan on going on a trip to Montana and Colorado next summer and I am looking for a versatile rod I can still make my go-to rod here in WV.
Satisfactory comprimises can be tough to achieve. Target your purchase towards the water you'll spend most of your time on.
Look at water size, fish size, and average fly size for help.
good luck...... SG
Shotgunner makes some great points
Add to that WIND... Although I prefer to use a rod that affords me a more relaxed casting style....occasionally I give it up as situations dictate
07-09-2007, 11:00 AM
In small West Virginia streams, you probably want the shorter, softer-action 3 wt, but in the West you'll be happier with a 9 foot, 5 wt, with a faster action. Since you like your current 3 wt, I might get a new 5 wt (you can use it for smallmouth bass or in larger trout waters in WV) and consider upgrading the 3 wt in the future. If your primary goal, though, is to get a rod to use in WV, then go with the 3 wt. You'll wish you had a different rod out West, but at least you'll be happy at home. If you can afford it, get both!
11-16-2007, 03:13 PM
I spent the last nine years guiding in Montana and Wyoming, and the 9' 5 wt is the way to go. that rod will allow you to fish nymph rigs, smaller streamers, and most importantly large and small dry flies in windy conditions. i only fished the lighter rods on smaller water with smaller flies. You are on the right track looking at the boron series rods by winston :wink: and orvis. they feel like a much lighter rod in hand, whether casting or fighting a fish.
11-17-2007, 05:51 AM
ditto on the winston rods. i would also suggest that you try out the thomas & thomas light presentation series.
06-22-2008, 11:44 PM
Well this is kind of an old thread so you probably already bought your rod. For the sake of discussion, I'll add my advice. I think if you want a versatile rod for big and small water and you want a 3wt, you should get something with some backbone, like a fast action rod. That way, you can turn over heavier flies a little more easily than you'd expect for a 3wt rod. Maybe take a look at the Sage TXL, Sage Z-Axis (though the lightest Z-Axis is a 4wt), or Winston LT. On the other hand, a progressive taper could suit you well. Progressive taper rods can do delicate presentations with a light touch but have reserve power for when you get a lot of line out. The Sage SLT is a great bet and you can find new ones from online stores and on ebay for 40% off MSRP right now. Some other options you might want to look at if you go the progressive taper route are the Thomas and Thomas Paradigm, and the Sage ZXL. Anyway, I'm also a big fan of ultralights and when I lived out west I used a Sage SLT 3wt almost exclusively. True, I couldn't cast very heavy nymphs, but it can cast a woolly bugger when I need it to and that's all that matters to me. Unfortunately I now live in the Midwest and the local streams are float fishing with deep streamers and nymphs if I want to catch fish so a 6wt is in order, but I love to pull out the ultralights whenever I can.