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: Surf Rod Head Idea

Sean Juan
01-17-2007, 10:22 AM
Hi gang,

As some of you know I recently got the LL Bean Surf rod for Christmas, and more recently drove a 2/0 clouser into my ass at nearly the speed of sound.

At the advice of LL bean I've been using a 39' head of t-14 for a 546gr head (they recommend 550gr) the trouble is with that heavy head I've had some issues with it unrolling before falling to Earth (it could also be that I just suck) I don't have this problem using the Airflo beach line which is an intermediate.

So I'm planning on building a head which is a t-14 lc-13 hybrid - right now planning on 30' of t-14 and 10 of lc for a total of 550gr and with the taper hopefylly the end of the line will turn over much quicker allowing for a more efficient cast.

Has anyone done this before? Do you think the ratios are right or should I do more of 25/15 for 545 gr - I suspect the actual gr weight is mostly inconsequential but the ratio more important.

I heal fast.

01-17-2007, 10:47 AM
hey Sean,

Just a thought, but maybe before you go to all that trouble you might want to get someone to watch your cast to check that the mechanics of it - the curve, timing, and your hand positions etc. are suitable for heavy flies.

it may just prevent your backside being spliced asunder. :chuckle:


01-17-2007, 10:30 PM
Check your PM's


01-18-2007, 08:02 AM
Sean -

FLyline operates on the principle of graduating diameter and mass, and t-14 / lc-13 etc are uniform high-density materials that are best used for sinktips behind a more authoritative belly.

For instance, as a forward section behind a big fat fly line head (belly) like a Spey line or saltwater grade line.

By itself it makes a poor head for a number of reasons. First it has so much density that the energy you put into it from the rod travels down it's length very quickly. Second it has no taper so the speed of this transition never slows down and most frequently reaches the end of the line well before the potential cast distance is reached.

For examples of really good sinking tapers, try out some of the designed-for-purpose sinking shooting heads from Scientific Anglers, Rio, Airflo, etc. Orvis had some made by SA recently that didn't sell and were cleared out for $20. These heads ROCK (I still have mine and wouldn't part with it).

In summary, you need to have a head that is the proper length (35-45ft 38ft best) for overhead casting and proper grains, which you have - but you also need to have the proper taper or the "feathering" effect that is so critical to turnover of the flyline, reversal of direction, and proper presentation will be MIA.

Hope that helps, I do speak from experience but don't ask to compare ass scars :lildevl:

Sean Juan
01-18-2007, 10:16 AM
Hopefully in the next few days I'll be able to do some casting with Jay, I'm planning on sticking a dictionary down my pants.

Juro I think you are definitely right. For a few years my favorite set up for fishing fast water with a single hander has been some braided mono running line and a 30' T-14 head. This set up casts very well, and if you shoot a bit of running line and then haul against the backward momentum of the head you can zing this set up a 100' easy.

I was trying to create a similar set up for this rod but without the double haul (which unfortunately I think I learned to depend on a bit too much) the results have been pained.

I did however make a head form T-14 and LC-13 25/15 when I tested it out it was better than the straight T-14. Then on a whimp I reversed it putting the LC side on the the running line, and it was much better - but probably not nearly as good as a manufactured line.

Question though who sells those long heads? The ones I've seen at the Orvis site are all 30'.

I am loving the Airflo Beach line though.

01-18-2007, 10:27 AM
The show is this weekend, just ask the line manufacturers. You can probably even try a few out. Or call around your local flyshops if you're not going to Marlboro.

01-22-2007, 06:32 AM
As some of you know I recently got the LL Bean Surf rod for Christmas, and more recently drove a 2/0 clouser into my ass at nearly the speed of sound.

LMAO. I almost blew oatmeal onto my monitor!:chuckle: