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: Atlantic Salmon Fly of the week – Green Gem


Charlie
08-24-2006, 02:19 PM
This fly is brain child of Daryl Burry. And according to Burry, this is a hot early season fly for the southern rivers of Newfoundland. It is especially popular on the Robinson, Crabbes and Harry’s rivers.

Hook: Up eye salmon hook.
Tag: Flat silver tinsel and red floss
Rib: Oval silver tinsel.
Body: Bright green seal type dubbing.
Wing: Gray squirrel tail.
Collar: Bright green hackle.
Head: Red

flytyer
08-25-2006, 11:55 PM
Charlie,

Do these predominantly bright green/yellow flies lose their effectiveness as the season progresses and low water sets in as they do here in the PNW?

Charlie
08-28-2006, 08:51 AM
Russ,

For the most part yes, that is the rule. As the water gets low you use smaller and smaller flies and colors become more subdued. However, it’s always good to have a few of these bright ones in the box for a change-up. Sometimes if the fish are stale and have seen a lot of flies showing them a bright fly that they have not seen can provoke them to strike.

Charlie.

juro
08-28-2006, 09:35 AM
Russ,

I've not gotten my reps in yet but workin' on it - and one thing I've found to be awakening is the effectiveness of more imitative baitfish patterns in the midwest.

I can say that in the last 22 years of fishing the PNW I have never used a baitfish pattern for summer runs, and only kinda sorta for winter fish.

I have witnessed steelhead just ravenously hitting patterns that resembled the forage species out in Charlie's home waters in low water conditions - and it made me wonder if I shouldn't adapt something like that for my next visit to the PNW.

jhicks
08-28-2006, 02:12 PM
Juro,

General Practitioners=shrimp= killer pattern on the O.P. for winters
Nymphing with large stone fly patterns is very effective as well. A guy I know played mad scientist with some hatchery fish and examined their stomachs. He found lots of stone fly nymphs inside.

It's funny how we have through the years used such patterns that look nothing like anything that is actually alive for anadromous fish.

juro
08-28-2006, 02:34 PM
Thanks for the reply.

Sure I fish lots of imitative patterns otherwise including the "creeper" pattern I developed which has been popular among friends which is tied as a shrimp in winter in larger size and more emphatic color and smaller with wood duck 'legs' in summer to imitate sedge pupae in more subtle colors - both of which have done well in OP, Cascade and Columbia tribs.

I also developed a 'bunny rat' pattern that closely imitates sculpin, which I guess is a river resident baitfish but I was referring to baitfish in their open water phase specifically, for instance that resemble candlefish, herring and other saltchuck finfish they 'eat on the road'.

Clearly the squid is a prevalent theme in the intruder, as I see it. But to be clear, the Erie guys do very well with silver on white baitfish patterns (based on open lake forage) for fish that have ascended the river.

I plan to try some coho patterns and tie some much saltier finfish patterns to try for summer fish way up river to see what happens.

jhicks
08-28-2006, 05:12 PM
Juro,

Sorry, I missunderstood you. BTW what is the recipe for that shrimp pattern of yours. I would love to tie a few up. P.M. with it if you like.

John

flytyer
08-30-2006, 05:33 PM
Juro,

I agree that the effectiveness of shrimp (or baby squid in a pinch) style flies is most likely due to steelhead eating them in the salt. The G.P. (especially with a hint of hot pink added in the fashion of of Sean Gallagher's SEAN'S PRAWN or the addition of some hot pink in tail and hackle collar of the ALLY'S SHRIMP) and Ed's INTRUDER I'm certain are due to the sand shrimp like look they have when fished. Same can be said of Glasso's (and others) steelhead spey flies.

On the question of baitfish, I have found that the old salmon fly SILVER BLUE to be a very effective steelhead fly during the summer/fall, especially in bright sun, and in the water it looks very much like a small bait fish on the swing. Therefore, I think there is quite a bit to using flies that imitate what the steelhead are eating out in the salt here in the PNW, just like imitating the GL baitfish is effective for steelhead in the GL rivers and streams.

I have also noticed that a lot of LaBlanc's flies have a baitfish look to them in the water, unlike the more shrimp and krill look of PNW steelhead spey flies. This is due to the materials used to construct the fly and LaBlanc's placement of the spey hackle near the front of the body (or only at the collar). I suspect a similarly constructed fly tied with Pacific Ocean/Puget Sound/ west coast estuary baitfish colors would be effective here.