07-27-2006, 07:03 PM
Hi: Just spent 4 hours on the local trout pond, got a lot of sunfish, no trout. It was hot , water temp at the surface 79 degress, deepest part is about 20-25 feet deep. I noticed that a good number of fish were swimming just below the surface, fins showing, almost like in a small school. Tried a couple of dries, a couple of wets , even a goldfish on a spin rod, nothing doing! Could these be trout, or some other "uncooperative" fish churning up the surface. BTW, this pond is on the RI/Ct border, and is stocked by both states with trout and a few salmon(so I am told!). Just curious?
07-28-2006, 12:25 AM
In many of the warm water trout ponds in my area I've had the exact same experience during the summer....... The fish just seem close to the surface and yet not eating...... The main thought of local people is that trout won't eat when surface temp is above 75. Which seems not only improbable but impossible, there are enough fish that live through summers when the water never dips below 78.... The fish simply have to eat something, but what I do not know.
Pond and lake fishing for trout used to be my #1 pursuit. I had great success during summer months in the deeper ponds in New England like Walden, Whites, Quabbin, Big Cliff, Scargo, Sunapee, Winnipesaukee, etc, etc.
My buddy and fellow co-op student Brian Marachiello and I found that trout are hanging out at the stratus where the temps are comfortable during the day (e.g. Walden Pond is around 20ft down in over 90ft of depth in places, give or take) and venturing into shore and onto the surface at night / morning. Any springs or feeder streams with cover and reduced temps are key spots but many of these ponds have no inlets or outlets apparent to the eye.
The change in activity was so pronounced that I would catch more fish paddling back to the ramp as the light faded in the evening with a ghost or bugger streamer off the back of the canoe than I would during all the hours of daylight that preceded it. That's why I was always late for dinner. :)
Cold fronts and storms get the fish going. I have caught trout after trout in storms blowing so badly that I could barely get a full sinking line into the wind on a sandy beach dragging a nymph. Most of the trout would hit 20 ft in front of me. This pond is on Cape Cod and is lined with clean white sand.
With such a shallow lake the fish are likely concentrated in summer, if the state puts brood salmon you might ask them if they analyzed the springs or other flow to make that decision maybe the body of water has good renewal and temps for such stockings. Worth a call.
If they allow canoes put a fish finder over the holes and see what's down there.
07-28-2006, 08:27 AM
It's highly unlikely those were trout. In the summer months, your best bet for trout is live bait fished deep (yes, I know this is a fly fishing forum!). You'll need to get down at least 15'. ALternatively, try a big insect pattern fished with a sinking line and long leader. A fast sinking sink tip will be ok too, but just give it enough time to get down.
07-29-2006, 07:10 PM
I think the sinking line idea may be something I am going to try, I release everything, and I don't like to kill them, so I don't use live bait very much even though I know you can catch them that way during the hot weather. If the weather cools down a little i may try the same pond again with a deep running set-up, but the forecast is for 95 -100 degrees for the next 4 days..yuk!
Thanks for your replys