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juro
07-20-2006, 12:07 AM
the new Toyota FJ cruiser! WOW

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/ToyotaFJ/Images/RightFrontBlue.jpg

I test drove it recently and loved it. My thoughts FWIW:

- a little 'too' nice inside, I expected something a little more spartan and utilitarian but I can see why they would need to appeal to the masses for good business, most don't really buy utility vehicles for utility and we are the minority who do

- the waterproof seats look and feel like fabric seats http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon14.gif but they do not allow water (waders, swimsuits) to soak in

- the floor is a hard plastic diamond plate look that is washable, no rug http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon14.gif but I did not see a drain for hosing out after a hardcore week of beach fishing

- they can run continuously in 2.5ft of water http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon14.gif without a snorkel

- the back seats fold down but not level with the main cargo area back to the hatch http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon13.gif so it's not going to be as comfortable as a hotel room with a camp pad down

- 17/22 MPG http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon14.gif (hmmm... hybrid coming?)

- rear cargo area side windows dont open http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon13.gif not a huge deal

- Maneuvers on a dime much better than my tundra http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon14.gif

- limited color choices: sporty yellow, blue, maroon, silver, black (all have white roof). I would like to see a nice woodsy green or coastal white.

- Under $30k http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon14.gif

- Built like the proverbial brick sh*thouse http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon14.gif

Also, rear doors open suicide like my tundra but the rear seats are full sized and more comfortable than the x-cab seats. Lots of room to haul stuff and a serious roof rack up there for yaks. Tow package avail stock.

Back glass hatch opens independently from full rear hatch for grabbing stuff like rods or a cold one.

Full spare (needed for offroad qualification).

Tundra has the better ride on the highway, a lot of that could be due to the stock tire/wheel config being more aggressive that comes with the FJ vs. the Tundra.

I love the 115v A/C Outlet!!!

Greg Pavlov
07-20-2006, 02:46 AM
the new Toyota FJ cruiser! WOW

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/ToyotaFJ/Images/RightFrontBlue.jpg

I test drove it recently and loved it. My thoughts FWIW:

- a little 'too' nice inside, I expected something a little more spartan and utilitarian but I can see why they would need to appeal to the masses for good business, most don't really buy utility vehicles for utility and we are the minority who do

Yeah, but since it's basically a 4Runner, and they're still selling that one,
it would have been nice if Toyota had come out with a basic model in this
line.

juro
07-20-2006, 06:45 AM
Well I guess but the way I look at it is...

"wow great they came out with a basic Land Cruiser!"

striblue
07-20-2006, 07:55 AM
Juro....test drive the new little Hummer....H3.... less expensive than the Jeep grand Jerokee and every bit a Hummer in construction.... 22 miles a gallon.... and rides like a dream....

FishHawk
07-21-2006, 04:15 AM
I have a Prius getting 49mpg . Sick of the gas companys excuses. There are trade off like everything you buy. It's not good for off road ect. However, for the places that I go to it great. Plenty of room and I can haul my yak. You might want to look at the Ford Escape Hybrid which uses the Toyota system. The Toyota Highlander Hybrid gets 36 mph and is a large SUV. Go HYbrid you'll like it. FishHawk

juro
07-21-2006, 08:09 AM
Toyota trucks are going hybrid soon... a new tundra might overrule if hybrid. Pop on a real nice canopy and I've got my camp truck with a big comfy pad and screened slide windows. Since the new tundra rear window is power down to a full opening it will extend the camp compartment into the cab for easy listening to CD's or the sox game.

But no AC outlet, waterproof seats and the ideal interior for me is one I can spray out with a hose. Decisions decisions.

Well it might not be too soon, I have to see how the two kids in college thing hits the budget. Better keep my ol' truck maintained for now.

Smcdermott
07-21-2006, 08:39 AM
Juro,

Better keep an eye on what kind of HP and Torque you get with those things if part of the future plan includes a 20ft boat. My Tacoma does the job but you definitely know the boat is back there when you hit a steep hill. I am only at about 80% of its max towing capacity as well. Personally if money was no object I would be driving a Titan or the Armada SUV. I actually think with the extra torque I would get better mileage towing and they get about the same believe it or not highway as the Tacoma. The mileage numbers aren't pretty right now towing at about 10-12 mpg. Good thing Fishawk has the hybrid to bring up the forum average MPG. :lildevl:

Sean

Greg Pavlov
07-21-2006, 09:54 AM
Well I guess but the way I look at it is...
"wow great they came out with a basic Land Cruiser!"
Sorry: what I meant was that it would have been nice if
they came out with a truly basic model of this FJ.

juro
07-21-2006, 10:04 AM
hear hear!

I agree. And a drain plug in the floor would be nice, that and the rear seats folding compeltely flat. While we're at it, one of those crank down roof portal / sun roof with the bug screen would be nice for ventilation, also sliding side windows with screens or at least sliding (I can screen them). Then I could run it deep into a wooded road and camp by the river in the vehicle without worrying about pitching camp or taking it down.

also could not find a compartment under the rear cargo area which would be awesome for fly / camp gear and tying materials etc

Sean -

The boat is at least four years off but I am scheming to pick up a tired but handsome 15' sport whaler in the mean time which I could tow with my daughters 4 cyl. in case I can't stop jonesin'

The more I read... the more I LIKE...

The same five-speed automatic is available on 4x4 FJ Cruisers, as is a six-speed manual that includes a clutch start cancel feature. This allows you to start the engine without depressing the clutch, which can be a lifesaver when you've stalled on a steep incline and would rather not dance between the brake and clutch pedal as the vehicle rolls uncontrollably down a hill.

Automatic models come with a transfer case that can be driven in 2-Hi, 4-Hi and 4-Lo mode. Manual models are always in four-wheel drive, with the transfer case offering 4-Hi, 4-Hi with locked differential and 4-Lo with locked differential. This model uses a Torsen limited-slip center differential with a static 40-60 torque split between the front and rear axles. However, up to 70 percent of power can be sent to the rear wheels, and up to 53 percent to the front wheels, depending on available traction at each end.

Regardless of tranny and driveline configuration you get the same Toyota aluminum block 4.0-liter, 60-degree V6 engine from the Tacoma, Tundra and 4Runner. With dual-overhead cams, 24 valves and VVT-i technology, the engine manages 239 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, and 278 pound-feet of torque at 3,700 rpm. Note that both numbers are based on 91-octane fuel, which isn't required but is recommended.

Preliminary mileage numbers are 18/22 for the automatic 4x2, 16/19 for the 4x4 with manual transmission and 17/21 for the 4x4 automatic. All models offer a 5,000-pound towing capacity, and our automatic 4x4 test vehicle got to 60 mph in 7.8 seconds. Not flying, but neither does it feel slow in normal, everyday driving.

Jim Miller
07-21-2006, 10:23 AM
the new Toyota FJ cruiser! WOW

- a little 'too' nice inside, I expected something a little more spartan and utilitarian but I can see why they would need to appeal to the masses for good business, most don't really buy utility vehicles for utility and we are the minority who do

- the waterproof seats look and feel like fabric seats but they do not allow water (waders, swimsuits) to soak in

- the floor is a hard plastic diamond plate look that is washable, no rug but I did not see a drain for hosing out after a hardcore week of beach fishing

- they can run continuously in 2.5ft of water without a snorkel

- the back seats fold down but not level with the main cargo area back to the hatch so it's not going to be as comfortable as a hotel room with a camp pad down

- Maneuvers on a dime much better than my tundra
- limited color choices: sporty yellow, blue, maroon, silver, black (all have white roof). I would like to see a nice woodsy green or coastal white.

- Under $30k

Also, rear doors open suicide like my tundra but the rear seats are full sized and more comfortable than the x-cab seats. Lots of room to haul stuff and a serious roof rack up there for yaks. Tow package avail stock.

Back glass hatch opens independently from full rear hatch for grabbing stuff like rods or a cold one.

I love the 115v A/C Outlet!!!

Juro.... sounds like what you REALLY need is a 22 foot center console! :roll:

Jim Miller
Yukon XL 1500

sean
07-21-2006, 10:31 AM
Sean I would just feel like an arse driving something called 'Armada'. :)

That being said we have been looking seriously at the pathfinder though. 6000lb towing capacity and good low end so it should pulled a boat like yours no problem.

However the more I look at it a 20ft boat may not be in the cards for me. I think 18-19 is more resonable for the fishing I will do. That way I may just get the honda pilot as it can tow an 18 footer no problem and the gas mileage is much better. Since I work form home we only put about 10000 miles a year combined for both cars so I really do not need a commuter. Will probably just lease this time around and hope in 3 years something more fuel efficient with towing capacity comes to the market.

Those FJs are pretty cool though and you get toyota dependability. Something I would not trust with an H3. If my family was not growing with another baby on the way the FJ would have been on the list.

-sean

juro
07-21-2006, 10:48 AM
we only put about 10000 miles a year combined for both cars so I really do not need a commuter.

That's amazing bro... somehow I put 170,000+ on in 6.5 yrs :whoa:

My current job does allow me to work from home a percentage of the time so I think that might improve over the next few... hopefully!

With those stats I wanna buy Sean M's boat and your truck :)

teflon_jones
07-21-2006, 10:45 PM
- 17/22 MPG http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/images/icons/icon14.gif (hmmm... hybrid coming?)I really don't know what to say when we're applauding that kind of gas mileage...

juro
07-21-2006, 10:55 PM
That's all relative.

If you're getting that out of a compact sedan, that's really sucks. But if you do 25-30 oversand trips a year as I do, or have an unpaved steep driveway in a miserable climate as I do, or if you are one of the rare folks who use an SUV as an SUV instead of a status symbol as I do, then it's really pretty damn good.

Of course a hybrid will be better which was my point, and they are coming but not here yet for the most part. Some of us really use offroad vehicles offroad so we take what we can get.

teflon_jones
07-21-2006, 11:47 PM
I know what you're saying Juro. My comment wasn't directed at you but at the auto buying public and auto industry in general. Fuel economy is the same now as it was 20 years ago. There's no reason we shouldn't have SUVs that get 30 MPG on the highway.

I wouldn't count on the hybrids getting better gas mileage though. Look at the ones out there today like the Jeep Liberty, Lexus RX400h, and others. Even if they get better gas mileage, it's barely better, and doesn't at all justify the increased price over the gas only model.

Sorry to get off on a little rant... :)

juro
07-22-2006, 12:47 AM
I see your point... I hope the new hybrids which get almost double the mileage (albeit not 4-5 times like the compacts) deliver on the promise. Maybe someday they will come up with an even better solution as well.

Eddie
07-22-2006, 08:48 AM
"hybrid" and "truck" don't belong in the same sentence. These new hybrids putting out high hp's and low mpgs just don't make any sense (except from a marketing pov).
They are expensive, provide little in the way of fuel econonmy, and then you have to dispose of the batteries every so often. How's the economy in cold weather?

I suspect that small displacement turbo diesel engines with prober gearing in a light weight truck would be a better solution. It should be alot cheaper too.

The old rules still apply: light+ small+slow=good mpg.

I have a Honda Fit(light+small) and I can't do better than 32mpg if I drive drive 85mph on road trips. If I kept it below 75, I am sure I would see high thirties.

Trucks and SUV's for non truckers are going to be like the Cadillacs of the eighties. Only poor folks will be driving them. The difference will be that farmers and the like will still have to drives p/u's (maybe they can get a tax credit?). Come to think of it, in Europe, not even farmers drive big trucks. No one drive 4wd (even in Sweden and Finland where they get a bit of snow). I think that thy recognize the differrence betweeen "need" and "want (marketing)". $5 a gallon will help shed some light on that.

Greg Pavlov
07-23-2006, 01:17 AM
Juro,

Better keep an eye on what kind of HP and Torque you get with those things .....I think that it will work out ok. You *will* definitely feel it, but I
personally prefer to drive a truck this size (or a smaller one, if I could get away
with it).

For what it's worth, Trailer Boats just printed an article about this truck. It's
in the July 2006 issue. They tested it with a 4900 lb boat/trailer combination.

peter-s-c
07-23-2006, 08:04 AM
A hybrid SUV would be nice but in the meantime, it's a VW Golf TDI 2002 with 180,000 miles on the clock and averaging 50 mpg (U.S. gallons). What I like about it, Hagersville to Chatham, 620 miles, no stopping for diesel and arriving with something like 1/4 to 3/8ths of a tank still left. Yesterday, went after some pygmy trout in Fergus (160 miles round trip). Left with a 1/4 of a tank and got home without it hitting the empty mark. It changes the economics of long fishing trips -- less money needed for fuel means more money left over for rods & reels. :)

tight-lines
07-23-2006, 10:33 AM
I think Diesel is the way to go. Also doesn't that Dodge sprinter box truck get something like 30 mpg highway loaded. They have a mercedes turbo diesel in them if you put that in a average sized SUV you would probably be looking at 40 MPG!!

FishHawk
07-23-2006, 11:06 AM
The German manufactures like diesels. You can't sell diesels up here in MA because they don't meet our emission regs. Look for a turbo diesel hybrid to come out in the near future. That will be some hybrid, plenty of torque and high mileage. I'm sure when it comes out it will meet the regs in MA. FishHawk

Greg Pavlov
07-23-2006, 11:37 AM
A hybrid SUV would be nice but in the meantime, it's a VW Golf TDI 2002 with 180,000 miles on the clock and averaging 50 mpg (U.S. gallons). What I like about it, Hagersville to Chatham, 620 miles, no stopping for diesel and arriving with something like 1/4 to 3/8ths of a tank still left. And that was with a full load of beer. Imagine if you had stripped down to essentials....

peter-s-c
07-23-2006, 05:12 PM
And that was with a full load of beer. Imagine if you had stripped down to essentials....


I had. :wink:

Eddie
07-24-2006, 10:56 AM
I would have gotten a tdi jetta wagon if I could have found one.
For the folks that need the torque, the 10 cyl. VW Touareg should fit the bill. Something like 300hp and 530pound feet of tourqe!!!!! They still get over 20 miles to the gallon. Over 60 grand.....oh well, I will keep the suburban.
Speaking of Suburbans, the new ones have tech that turns cylanders on and of as power is needed. Gets 23 miles to the gallon which is not that bad. Around 40 grand.

I gotta laugh every time I see a big pickup with a snap on toneau cover and no hitch. They would be better off with a camery, but they would probably have to compensate in some other way. "...it's a beautiful thing.":chuckle:

Smcdermott
07-24-2006, 01:44 PM
Telecommuting....Imagine if more employers were open to this concept. How many of us could do 80-90% of our work from a desk at home. My gas bill could probably go from about $50/week down to $10 if I only had to commute 1 day. Shared offices could create smaller campuses reducing energy costs and fossil fuel emissions. All seems like a pipe dream though. Instead we focus on getting 32 instead of 30 mpg.

Sean

Greg Pavlov
07-25-2006, 04:45 PM
Telecommuting....Imagine if more employers were open to this concept. How many of us could do 80-90% of our work from a desk at home. My gas bill could probably go from about $50/week down to $10 if I only had to commute 1 day. Shared offices could create smaller campuses reducing energy costs and fossil fuel emissions. All seems like a pipe dream though. Instead we focus on getting 32 instead of 30 mpg.The problem is always something that someone else is doing or not doing.