: Different Spey Rod
07-11-2006, 10:54 AM
Took a spey class last weekend and learned a lot. One of things I learned was that my current rod was a poor choice to learn with. Current rod is 11' 9" 6/7 Scott Arc. As a lefty, I had a terrible time figuring out the single spey with my right hand dominant. Double spey with left was fine, snake roll with left was OK, snap T, either way forget it ( I can't dance either). Single left and double right was Ok as well.
When I used a heftier stick- say 14' 9 wt I had a much easier time with all of my casts, the consensus being that my smaller rod required an awful lot of precision in timing that I as a newbie just didn't have yet.
Finally, I am also going to be salmon fishing at least twice more this year and think I will need a heftier stick ( Penobscot and Margaree, I hope). Looking for suggestions, I am leaning towards 14' 9 wt.
All thoughts and comments would be greatly appreciated.
BTW, what I did learn and could do was a left single and double with single handed rod, how slick.:D
BTW, what I did learn and could do was a left single and double with single handed rod, how slick
Well then that 11' 9" should not be a problem to learn on. If you are only fishing two handed a couple times a year the investment may not be worth it. That is a very nice stick and a 14 9wt will feel like overkill on skinnier water you will encounter as summer goes on.
It is a little easier to learn with a longer rod but not necessary. What line did you have on it? More often than not that is the issue. Sounds like you got most of the casts down and casting with your non-dominant hand on top is tough for anyone and takes a fair amount of practice no matter what rod you use. Did you try casting back handed, ie keeping your left hand up and doing a single across your body? For some this is the answer to having trouble with their non-dominant hand up top and is a perfectly acceptable way to cast.
Spey casting takes a while to get proficient at. It is truly a discipline and do not expect much your first year.
That being said there are lots of nice 14' sticks out there. Really are few if any that suck. I have not cast a bad one in a long time.
For bang for your buck look at the 12' 9" Echo 2. Not 14' but longer than you have...This is a great casting rod and doubles as a overhead rod. You get two tips and at $350 I think it is one of the best rods going. TFO also makes a good 14' 9wt for short money.
But if you got more to spend let us know. There are a lot to choose from. Just let us know how far you expect to cast, size of fish and the belly length of the line you think you are going to be comfortable fishing. Most beginners use short bellies and if that is the case you probably do not need 14' of rod to get the job done.
07-11-2006, 11:50 AM
Thanks Sean- Buy you a beer a the Squire next time I see you there. The current line I have is the Orvis 7 wt. short head. Again, the consensus of the instructors of the class was that my rod will be great, but that the timing required to make it "behave" makes my learning curve long and steep. I checked out ebay this morning and there are several 14' 9 wts on there now. My other thought was to have a heavier stick to use for stripers as well. You know the old adage, buy something that tries to do all things and it does nothing well.
I would whole heartedly agree with your discipline comment Sean. My biggest problem was that I had a lot to "unlearn". A lot single handed habits crept into my casts and set me back. Very frustrating to pick up a fly rod and struggle so much. For whatever reason, my left hand dominant double is far and away my best cast now, that came to me almost instantly, but how I did struggle with right hand single, drive you to drink.
What about the RIO versa-tips? Too hard to deal with for a rookie?
Keep the comments and advice coming.
07-11-2006, 11:57 AM
And I forgot to add, I might just need to add another rod to the collection.:devil:
I've got plenty of loaners if you come and get them.
If you can stay away from tips for as long as possible. Epsecially when you are learning. A straight floater is the best way to learn, tips require better technique and timing to fish effectively. I had the experience of learning with tips first and it was a lot tougher than if I had just stuck with a floater. However you can get a rio windcutter with tips and just leave the floating section on.
Line length to rod length is relative I think for learning. Find a shorter bellied line and you will have a much easier time casting a shorter rod. 55' may just be a little much on that rod. Get something in the 40-45' range and you will be amazed how much easier they are to cast on those shorter rods. Something like a rio scandanvian head or those types of lines will rock on your rod.
I really think you should take a look at those echo 2 rods. Almost a 13 foot 9wt and one of the best 'hybrid' rods for spey and overhead I have cast. Works great with the short belly 55' head lines. Any dealer that deals airflo lines should be able to get you one to try out.
I would try and get a new rod with warranty for whatever purchase you make for your first rod.
Also take Juro up on that offer, I just cleaned house of most of my rods and the 4 I have left are my babies....
07-11-2006, 12:59 PM
Thanks for the help fellas. I'll see if I can find an echo dealer and try one out. Interesting comment on the head length as my issue constantly was if I was not right dialed in timing-wise, the rod would "fold-up". When I hit the timing right, set my anchor where it was supposed to be and kept the curve moving, it would fairly fly out. I did find I could shoot about 20 feet beyond the head with the double left. Felt much more comfortable with the double on both sides than the single on either.
I've been fly fishing for almost 40 years and this is just plain starting over. I can certainly see the efficacy of this method in a lot of places, but damn, atlantic salmon fishing is pricey.:Eyecrazy:
07-11-2006, 01:26 PM
Sean- Is that the "scandanavian" rod?
It goes both ways. One tip is a faster action tip that will work better with scando type lines and the other is a more traditional action tip for longer , slower strokes.
So you get two styles of rods in one with the echo, pretty cool.
07-11-2006, 01:36 PM
I just checked their website- there's a dealer about 2 hours from here. Have to check it out. Thanks Mon.
07-14-2006, 06:02 PM
I have the Orvis Wonderline in short head, medium head and long head in 9 and 10 weight. The Loop 14 footer had a short head and the Meiser had a 10 wt short head, but I'll be picking up a 10 wt versatip tomorrow and putting it on a spare spool. We can meet somewhere and you can try any or all of them on any rod you get that they fit.
Other than that, remember some of the sponsors of speypages will send you lines to try before you buy, which is what I'll be doing before I get another line.