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worstcaster
05-09-2006, 02:39 PM
I am going to go fishing on a lake near my father-in-laws house. There are supposed to be huge bluegills, chain pickeral, and some bass. In addition there are carp which are said to enjoy taking the occational chesse puff. As a result, I tyied a chesse puff pattern using a #8 hook and a orange fluff ball from a craft store. The question then rises, at what point is something no longer considered a fly? :confused: Some old streamer pattern had metal spinners on them. If we believe that that makes something stop being a fly then what about bead heads? Epoxy flies for salt water? Nymphs on a chalk stream?

Dble Haul
05-09-2006, 02:45 PM
Oh boy, it's the annual "what is a fly" debate......:roll:

Short answer: it's up to each individual, and nobody should impose their idea of what is or is not a fly onto others. Unless of course it's clearly defined in local fishing regulations.

Now back to our regualrly scheduled programming....

Paxton
05-09-2006, 04:12 PM
I would say that if you used real cheese...then that's bait, not a fly :smokin:
Ron

Adrian
05-09-2006, 04:48 PM
No need for a fight - unless you're looking for one?:lildevl:

At the end of the day, your own conscience is probably giving you the answer :)

If you sense that what you're using might not be "legit" (i.e. in conformity with 'established tradition', whatever that means) and you feel the need for peer approbation, then, it probably isn't. But by all means feel free to ask. Just understand that there is no difinitive answer. Its about what folks believe. There is no written law, just a lot of conflicting opinion.

Like others have said, it really doesn't matter provided you're not flouting the regs or behaving in a way that might be offensive to other fishermen or the public at large.

Eric
05-09-2006, 06:43 PM
I guess if you can cast it on a fly rod, using fly line as the casting momentum, then it may be a fly.

I remember years ago on the Deschutes, I took a good friend of mine who really wanted to catch a Deschutes summer run on a fly in the worst way.

Well, almost the worst way.

I went upstream and he went down; we checked in late mid-morning and his radiant smile when we met seemed brighter than the central Oregon sun blasting down on us from above. "I got one!" he exclaimed redundantly.

"Whad'ya get him on?" I asked.

"Well", he explained, "I took that Thunder and Lightning you gave me and put a spinner blade on just above..."

That pretty much killed it for me. "You really didn't have to do that," I managed. "They really do come to unadorned flies."

Well, he was happy enough and what was it to me how he caught his fish? By my lights this was cheating, but who am I to judge. Nuts.

-- Eric

Quentin
05-09-2006, 07:36 PM
. . . In addition there are carp which are said to enjoy taking the occational chesse puff. As a result, I tyied a chesse puff pattern using a #8 hook and a orange fluff ball from a craft store. The question then rises, at what point is something no longer considered a fly? :confused: . . .

Nuthin' wrong with that! :D

I haven't tried the pre-made fluff balls, but I tie a similar fly using orange and purple yarn to make a small "pom-pom" on the hook. I call it a berry fly, although it's pretty much the same thing as an egg fly, which you can see in any Orvis catalog. If Orvis sells it then it must be a fly :lildevl: .

Q

FishHawk
05-10-2006, 04:18 AM
I agree with Adrian. Also, you have to think out of the box sometimes to catch fish. For example , I heard of a Albie fly that worked well and decided to try it on Stripers , now it my killer Spring time fly. Some of the most innovated ideas have come for the Steelhead guys on the West Coast. Pretty soon we'll \be using two handers on the Canal. :lildevl: FishHawk

jfbasser
05-10-2006, 06:40 AM
I guess if you can cast it on a fly rod, using fly line as the casting momentum, then it may be a fly.

-- Eric


Right Answer:smokin:

juro
05-10-2006, 08:53 AM
I hide a three strand thing of yarn, two brick reds and an olive - tied in an overhand knot to stop fraying and tied to the hook shank on the other end. This "fly" has fooled some HUGE mid-summer monomoy bass into thinking it's a chopped seaworm c/o the clammer pack on a rising tide.

I am not a big fan of the gummies and the like preferring to use materials to get the same effect, but I am a big popper fan and that has to make me a big of a hypocrite.:cool:

teflon_jones
05-10-2006, 10:29 AM
A fly needs to "match the hatch", and for carp the "hatch" can be berries or other things instead of bugs. One of the best carp flies I know if is a purple mulberry imitation. It's pretty much what you're tying except it's purple.