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: YAKBONE Clave this weekend!


juro
08-15-2000, 07:04 PM
I propose an impromptu bonito mini-clave this weekend. We will launch and row, paddle or swim to various south / upper cape locales to flyfish for bonito. Then we'll get together to share stories and enjoy the good fresh seafood and other entrees the cape restaurants have to offer.

If there are a half dozen, one spot is fine. If there are a dozen, we might spread out and clue each other in with cell phones.

If more, then we can choose from a number of potential bonito holes:

Bass River mouth, Stage Island - launch at Veterans or several other ramps
Craigville inside to end of inlet - Bumps River
Waquoit west jetty (Washburn) - White's landing or other options
Cotuit / Dead Neck - landings around but need to investigate access to non-res
Poppy - (wade)
Seaview - ticket is $15, cheap if three split the cost
Falmouth Salt Ponds (wade)

Let me know if there is any interest.

Juro

craig
08-15-2000, 08:27 PM
Juro,

I got a canoe with a 4.5 horse motor, what do you think?
Would that be do able?

lots of backing,

Craig

juro
08-15-2000, 08:51 PM
You beat me... I've got a 3 hp electric on a 12 foot dory! Good thing there are oars involved. http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif

i'm so outta here
08-15-2000, 09:40 PM
JohnM and I are planning a pre-dawn assault along similar lines. I can't speak for John, but I'd be into claving it. The Washburn side of Wacky would be killer!! If it happens, I'll be the one mooning all the bait chuckers on the other side http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif

I wish it were otherwise, but as it stands, all I have is an 8 HP Tohatsu motor to offer.

doug
08-16-2000, 05:37 AM
What's this? Another clave that I'll have to miss??? :) :)
That's o.k., you know where I'll be "suffering"! Ha ha. ( my offer still stands )
One thing's for sure, I'll use my "new" kayak more in the next two weeks, than I have all season!!
Doug B.

Nick
08-16-2000, 08:06 AM
Juro,
I have a Saturn but that won't do me too good in the water. Other than that I have a wallet (for any shuttle services) and a serious itching to catch a bonito. I would love to go.
Nick

Bri-RN
08-16-2000, 08:15 AM
Count me in if we're wading, or unless I learn to float over the next 3 days. Juro, I'll give you a buzz on the cell over the next couple of days! Be down @ Nickerson Park from Weds-Fri. a.m.
BrianZ.

JohnM
08-16-2000, 09:02 AM
Al and Juro........

I am on for a mini-clave ! Great timing as my wife and daughter are at the New Jersey shore for the weekend.......No boat yet....by winter, though, there will be a watercraft sitting in the driveway but that does not help us now !

John

JohnM
08-16-2000, 09:05 AM
Doug,

Are you on the Vineyard yet ??

John

Hawkeye
08-16-2000, 09:46 AM
Mike and I are in but the best floatation we have are tubes but they can get us from one jetty to another.

craig
08-16-2000, 10:00 AM
Juro,

Where will we be putting in and what time? What kind of flies do I need to tie? What day will this take place? Saturday would be best for me, but I probibly could make it Sunday too. If Dave P.is not going to be able to make it, I will have room for one other guy. What is your cell phone number? Mine is 508-7830605.

Lots of backing,

Craig

JohnM
08-16-2000, 10:11 AM
Craig:

Tie up some standard white bunny flies with a little olive and silver flashabou. I connected in Woods Hole yesterday with 2 bones on a bunny fly tied this way. I also had lead eyes on it.......

John

i'm so outta here
08-16-2000, 10:12 AM
Craig,

Tie up some bone bunnies in various lengths and hook sizes. These are very simple to do and relatively cheap. Some say not to use cross cuts for the palmering, but unless the zonker strips are VERY good quality, the overall effect on fish (stripers only in my experience -- hoping to change that soon) is less than with the cuts.... YMMV. Any color is fine for bonito...so long as it's white. http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Happy.gif

I tied up a few pure white silver side jobbies last night -- something akin to the Ray's Fly style I mentioned in my Ahab story. Bonito have extraordinary visual accuity so shoot for flies that are as realistic as possible.

As to time and place. I like Sat. in the Waquoit neighborhood somewhere around 4 AM.

Now if I can only stay focussed on work....

doug
08-16-2000, 11:56 AM
John M.,
No....I'm not out on the Vineyard until Sunday afternoon. Saturday is packing day plus draft day for the local Fantasy Football league....Staying until Labor Day. Can't wait!
So, I guess I only have 1/2 an excuse for Saturday... :)
Doug B.

juro
08-16-2000, 01:58 PM
Doug -

Best of luck out there, you timing seems to be impeccable. This is your year for the fly tunoid!!!

Look forward to the reports.

Juro

ssully
08-16-2000, 04:03 PM
I've heard Woods Hole has had some pods of the funny fish around.

I had a chance at a freebie with a guide on MV Friday afternoon but can't go cuz I can't get outta work. Gotta get a new job!

http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Sad.gif GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!

juro
08-16-2000, 07:17 PM
WoW Sully - that's gotta hurt. Does he know you personally? Can I borrow your drivers license? http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif

Better luck next time, guess it's time to start planning BONECLAVE 2000!

juro
08-16-2000, 07:33 PM
<center><font color="ff0000"><b>SUMMARY AND ATTACK PLAN</b></font><!--color--></center>

Al - motor
John - flies, no boat
Nick - waders
Brian - sense of humor
Gregg - float tube
Mike - same
craig - canoe w/ motor, room for two riders?
juro - canoe with room for one -or- shuttle operation

OK - Here's the plan.

We go to a spot from where we can launch our shuttle craft to get to the promised hot spot on the other side. We minimize the parking fine (usually $15) by car pooling to the launch spot. We shuttle passengers to/from the awesome and inaccessible spot. We fish for the awesome bonito, then shuttle passengers back to the launch spot and reverse the process.

This way we really only need one or two boats and we split the parking ticket.

I actually have several spots that are exactly like this, and Wacky is the worst of the bunch because of the distance from the launch to the jetty. The only advantage there is the free parking for all of us at the (distant) launch.

Since I can take one rider, and Craig can take two, we will both make two trips to get the whole crew across.

If nothing else, it will be amusing.

Other options include kayak rentals for the bunch... thoughts?

juro
08-16-2000, 07:34 PM
By the way we can hit Chatham light on the outgoing to see if the day can start with a keeper bass before the bonito quest!

i'm so outta here
08-16-2000, 08:36 PM
Well, I actually have more than a motor..... I have a trailer. It's legal for the road under my father-in-law's registration....I also have a boat (of sorts) that is also registered for the year via my in-laws. This thing is ugly. I mean REALLY ugly. I wouldn't fly fish out of it for fear of being cut off on the sharp fiberglass edges. I wouldn't sit in it for fear of the cheap plywood seats buckling under my weight (or even Juro's...or even a back pack's!)

I wouldn't feel safe in it any more than 100 yards off shore, but it could easily shuttle me and three guys and their gear to whatever spot we decide on. Someone might have to help me back it down the ramp as I haven't yet mastered trailering, but the option is there....

JohnM
08-17-2000, 07:47 AM
This almost sounds like the beginning of the "Survivor" show on CBS ! Al, I would be more than willing to help you back the boat down..........Juro, the lighthouse intrigues me......Do you think the spot we will try for bones will have bass also ?? I hear there are tons of 3 to 5 lb blues in the South Cape area, also....

John

doogue
08-17-2000, 08:04 AM
Hi Everyone,

What day are you guys planning on heading out for the Bone-Clave? I am in for Sunday if you are open to having a stranger tag along. I have a kayak so I am personally mobile.

Thanks and if I don't get a chance to head out with you then I wish you the best of luck...

Doogue

i'm so outta here
08-17-2000, 09:06 AM
Dooge,

There <i>are</i> no strangers on the water, at least in this community. Come join in the antics! It looks like Sat. is the prefered day.

John - thanks for the offer. I need to check with my insurance agent. If I can toss a rider on my policy today for the trailer, it's a go. Bones are improbable at Chatham light.

BTW, yak rentals sounds like a good idea and might simplify things greatly. Juro, (or anyone with the info) any thoughts on where this might be possible given the list of spots in the initial post?

Al

Nathan Smith
08-17-2000, 10:49 AM
Trout or Bones, that is the question. I was going to hit the Deerfield at least once this year but the bone clave sounds good. If I come I will bring my yak and have room on my truck rack to put one more on so if someone wanted to rent one we could. I will let you know by the end of the day.

striblue
08-17-2000, 11:20 AM
Can do it to. Have Yak, will travel. Also. Bonito reported by Pete A from Orvis in early eve at Bucks creek off Ridgevale Beach ,down the street from me... never usually fish there, but the whole south side could work, and as you said, Stage harbor might work.

juro
08-17-2000, 11:27 AM
<center><b>More suggestions for YAKBONE I</b></center>

The area is loaded with scup and fluke. I suggest we bring a coleman stove and a fillet knife and have a good old fashioned fish fry (if the weather permits). Bring energy bars or sandwiches if you don't like fish or if the weather goes to hell. My recipe is:

- scup or fluke fillet
- flour
- Prudhomme's seafood magic
- light olive oil
- can of italian style stewed tomatoes
- couscous or other side like native corn

Sprinkle the fillet, pat with flour and saute' in a little bit of oil until crispy on the edges. Spoon some stewed tomatoes over the fillet (Provencale style) and serve with sides. Easy to do on a gas stove if weather permits. I will bring the cutting board, knife, flour, spice, tomatoes if someone can bring the olive oil and extra stove, paper plates, trash bag, plastic forks. We should all bring our own drinks but I will have a cooler on my dory if you want to consolidate.

The minimalist craft will be beached on the neck (hint hint). Tides are slack high predawn / dawn so there will be bass inside the inlet and hopefully the funny fish will show during the outflow like last weekend. Incoming may offer additional opportunities.

For those with kayaks, someone will shuttle you back from the legal parking area if you do not want to pay the $15 fine for parking.

More details to follow... please comment on the shore lunch / fresh scup and fluke idea. This will require some spinning rods and bait BTW.

Juro

JohnM
08-17-2000, 12:31 PM
What are "spinning rods" and what is "bait" ??

ONLY KIDDING !!!

John

craig
08-17-2000, 12:34 PM
hey guys,

I'm in for satuday, and will be down at the chatham light first thing in the morning. I haven't heard any firm conformation on were we will meet etc., so Juro, Please let me knoe if this is the plan.

lots of backing,
Craig

Ps. Does anyone have some instructions and a pic of the bunny fly everyone is talking about. I have never tied one before. Last night I tied up some white sand eel patterns, but don't think they will be the ticket.

Nick
08-17-2000, 12:38 PM
Juro,
Fish fry sounds great! I can bring my spin rod and pick up some squid tomorrow at Super S&S if we need it. Also, where are we meeting and when? I need to plan my Friday night activities accordingly...
Nick

JohnM
08-17-2000, 12:41 PM
Craig:

Call me at 508-393-0562 and I will explain the bunny fly........

John

Broadbill
08-17-2000, 12:45 PM
Craig:

re: Bunny Patterns. Page Rogers' recipe on ReelTime is as good as any. Look for it here:

http://www.reel-time.com/pattern/Rogers/bunny/bunny.asp

juro
08-17-2000, 02:27 PM
<b>YAKBONE LOGISTICS</b>

Furrently ten of us. We'll meet at exit #5 off route 6 at 5:00 am. There is a small pull off near a state park sign and stockade fence just to the south of the exit. You'll see other cars there. We will not have time to fish Chatham light and get back to the spot in a timely manner as I see it. We will plan for an evening Chatham chaser if people are interested. (on a related note, the Rip trips each have a Chatham appetizer planned)

We will follow each other to the <b>General Parking Spot</b> to acknowledge it's location. Then proceed to the <b>launch location</b>. All craft should be launched, then all vehicles will go to the general parking location. The drivers of the vehicles will be <b>shuttled</b> back to the launch point by one or two vehicles, who will park at the area and risk the ticket. Some anglers will be watching our gear during the shuffle. I believe one vehicle has a good chance of not getting ticketed, but if the small lot is packed with non-resident vehicles there is hell to pay.

OK, at this point we are back at the launch with one (or two) vehicles and all the clavers. We can then begin the shuttle across the inlet. With the current model, there will be a need for two trips each made by two canoes and the rest have a way across. Gregg, Mike - I am considering you two in need of shuttling. I don't think a float tube will do. For those with their own craft - please be considerate of those who are shuttling or getting shuttled in terms of spot selection and jockeying for position, etc.

There is ample room for beaching yaks and canoes on the sand, and a good amount of room for the list we have on board.

I have a spinning rod and will try to figure out what scup and fluke like. Anyone else have a spinning rod for this? Two should do it, maybe even one?

We should consolidate ice into a single large cooler in the event we hit bones, they will need ice immediately. I have a single large cooler and will bring it. In any case we will have cold beverages. Maybe one of us will need to make and extra shuttle run http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif

I need the following volunteers:

a) scup / fluke meister - brings bait, hooks, other spin rod (I'm bringing one), and knows how to get a dozen scup or fluke or both. All will chip in to fill the bucket. We need a bucket too. Nick is this you?

b) stove man - gas stove, gas

c) utensil man - paper plates, plastic forks, garbage bag, paper towels

d) fillet man and cook - board, knife, spices, flour, oil, large fry pan, spatula, large spoon - I'll take this one.

e) side dish man - something that doesn't need to be cooked that goes well with saute'd fish... couscous comes to mind, pasta salad, potato salad, my favorite is rice pilaf but this requires an additional burner and a big pot for double dose to feed this many. OK - it's fine if we cook it before the fish fry beings, thus it will be ready.


OK - who's got what?

i'm so outta here
08-17-2000, 02:36 PM
I'll be side dish man. I will also bring a large cooler full of ice since the dish may (or may not) have mayonaise in it.

Am I leaving my garbage scow, I mean boat, at home??

JohnM
08-17-2000, 02:43 PM
I am Utensiles Man !! When you sat Towels, I assume you mean paper ones ?? Please send me an e-mail if their is anything else in the Utensil area on Juro's e-mail that we have missed.

Thanks
John

John.Middleton@Deluxe.Com

Nick
08-17-2000, 02:52 PM
Juro,
I have no problem being the fluke dude. I only have a problem in that I can supply all the materials, I just don't know how to catch them. Any suggestions here would be great. I think they like sandworms or even squid strips, but then again, we don't want skate for lunch. This isn't really Survivor, is it?
Nick

juro
08-17-2000, 05:30 PM
Yeah... each time someone gets a skate, they are eliminated. Of course there will be many opportunities for TV, interviews on Good MOrning America, etc. A scup - you stay one more episode. A fluke - you get to stay in the shack with.... never mind.

That reminds me of a great joke...

This guy is shipwrecked with Heather Locklear. She is first repulsed by him but over time, his offerings of fish and figs breaks through and nature's wild oats are sown. Things are awesome for a while but he starts to get really frustrated. She asks what's up, and offers to do anything to help. "Anything?" he asked. "Anything!" says she.

He goes to the shack and gets an old flannel shirt, a ball cap and some jeans. He says "put these on" so she does. He goes to the fireplace and gets some coal to paint a mustache and beard on heather. All of a sudden the fire comes back into his eyes and he shouts "Joe... hey Joe... guess what? I AM DOIN' HEATHER LOCKLEER!!!!!"

juro
08-17-2000, 07:37 PM
If we can't get a stove stud, I have an old coleman (very old) stove that may get the job done.

Email coming...

Juro

craig
08-17-2000, 08:58 PM
Hey guys,

Just want to make certain of the day. We are talking about Saturday right, exit # 5 off of route 6 at 5:oo am? Sounds good to me see you there.

Lots of backing,
Craig

Novice
08-18-2000, 11:21 AM
I have another person who would like to attend. His name is Mike Pigott and is totally psyched to make the trip. Let me know if there is any problem logisticly with his attendance. YAKBONE 2000!!!!! Woohoo!

steve moore
08-18-2000, 11:38 AM
You guys may want to consider fishing in front of the New Seabury golf course as well. You wouldn't need the boats unless you went down to the other end and over to Washburns. There were many pods of fish in close to shore there on Thursday. There's some nice structure in front of the big house up on the the bluff there and the bones use it to trap bait and hammer it pretty consistently.

There have also been reports of king mackerel off Craigville Beach and the Centerville River, and I wouldn't rule out the bonito showing in that area or over by the Wianno (West Bay) jetties. You could pay to park in the Craigville Beach lot and not have to worry about your cars there.

Sorry I can't make it, but major home improvements have me landlocked for another couple of days.

Good luck,

Steve

Nick
08-18-2000, 11:46 AM
I have a friend who would love to come as well, if it is logistically possible. What do you all think? I guess it depends on where we fish, and since I don't know the area that well, I can't make a decision.
Nick

Tod D
08-18-2000, 12:11 PM
Juro et al...

You're killing me! Any chance of my joining for an abbreviated trip (i.e. 5-9 a.m.)? Otherwise, is anyone else interested in hitting somewhere else in the area during those hours? If so, you can email me at "dillondux@aol.com".

Tod

juro
08-18-2000, 02:16 PM
Steve -

Thanks for the inside track on the area, good luck on your home improvements. I know how many brownie points that's worth with the lady o' the house and those points pay dividends as the season heats up. (Although it sounds like your season's already sizzling).

Tod -

You sure could, but you'd either have to fish the 'near' side or we could shuttle you over and you would have to barter with someone to shuttle you back early. Note: we are wise to wampum... those quaahog shells are everyhwere! http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif" border="0" align="middle">

Nick -

I know your freind is a non FF, if he is willing to leave his spin gear and learn to flyfish with us I'll row him myself. Otherwise he'll have to be the scup stud, duke of fluke if he insists on spin gear. <img src="http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif

chrism
08-18-2000, 03:23 PM
juro- I'm all up for learning to fly fish. I've been wanting a rod for a while actually. Nick and I are going to go after work and see if we can find a good beginner rod in the boston area. Suggestions are appreciated. I'm guessing Orvis would be a little expensive. I don't want to spend more than $200.

P.s. I've done a little FF'ing before, and take it from me, I'm dangerous.

i'm so outta here
08-18-2000, 03:36 PM
ChrisM,

I would recommend the Redignton Red Fly as the perfect beginner's rod. The blank they use for this is the same as in their top shelf products with a slightly thinner inner wall. It casts like a dream and is very forgiving o the beginner. I've owned one for a season now and I have to say it's been a pleasure to learn the sport with it -- best $75 I've spent to date (it also comes with a "no questions asked" warranty: you break it hauling in a big fish, they replace it on the spot at any dealership; you slam it in the trunk of your car, they replace it; you stomp on it and use the broken parts to grow tomatoes, they replace it (after the growing season when you no longer need the parts http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Happy.gif)

As for a reel, you might want to look at a cheapo at first. The Okuma Sierra is what I went with ($35). I replaced it just recently, but it's still functional as a backup.

Don't skimp on the line!! Airflo, Cortland, and Sci Angler all make very good lines.

I'm sure others have some favorites as well. Best of luck and welcome to the sport! May it haunt you for many years to come.

al

JohnM
08-18-2000, 03:56 PM
Chris,

I would concur with Al. In fact, Redington I think has an entire package deal for around $150 which includes everything, except flies, vest and waders to get started.

John

i'm so outta here
08-18-2000, 04:04 PM
Just a word of caution. The Redington Red <b>Start</b> rod is very different than the Red <b>Fly</b>. I've seen the packages John mentions with both models. Go with Red <b>Fly</b>. The other is junk.

grego
08-18-2000, 04:06 PM
I'g like to try to make it. 5:00AM exit 5 ramp, but I have some health issues. I hope to see you there.

chrism
08-18-2000, 04:06 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll keep an eye out. The only problem I have now is were to pick up a new rig. Does anyone know of any good stores in the Boston area? It seems
like mail order is the only real way to get the inexpensive fly stuff.

JohnM
08-18-2000, 04:09 PM
Gang,

I am packing it in for the day. I am heading to A&P to get the Utensil items and then getting my stuff together. I will see everyone who is coming at 5:00am. By the way, they are predicting rain for the morning hours but clearing skies by late morning........

Everyone have a safe trip down !
John

juro
08-18-2000, 05:00 PM
Chris -

I was only half serious about the FF thing but am very glad you decided to come back from the dark side http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif" border="0" align="middle">

If you can't find a setup I will bring a spare. No worries and see you there.


GregO -

Health problems? There are no bathrooms out there! <img src="http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif Please use your best discretion.

Juro

Tod D
08-18-2000, 05:03 PM
Juro - Thanks! I've got to attend a family wedding tonight in Boston. As long as I'm back by midnight, I'll plan on making the trip down in time for the 5 a.m. meeting. At 4 a.m. what's a reasonable time estimate from Exit 10 (S. Duxbury/Kingston) on Rt 3? I'm guessing 30-40 minutes???

Assume it's worth fishing the "near" side...? I don't want to put anyone out given what appears to be a favorable a.m. tide.

Thanks,
Tod

Hawkeye
08-18-2000, 05:53 PM
Mike and I will bring some spin gear for fluke, a bucket, a cooler with ice, I'll help with filleting, and we can bring a back packing stove but I don't think it will be up to the challenge of cooking for a group.

juro
08-18-2000, 06:43 PM
<center><b><font color="0000ff">*** WOW! ***</center></b></font><!--color-->

That exploded into a 15 man clave in a heartbeat. Even if the fish don't show, we ought to have a grand ol' time fryin' scup and fluke for lunch. I forgot to mention WASABI! http://216.71.206.188/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif

There are definitely school bass in the area, a cow or two, lots of scup and fluke, some blues, a spanish mack or two and some bonito. I don't know which will make an appearance and which will not, but as long as we make the appearance it should be a great time.

See you all there!

chrism
08-18-2000, 07:07 PM
So, I picked up a Scientific Anglers kit that seems pretty decent. A lot better than some of the others I have seen. See you guys in the am.

jim o
08-18-2000, 08:37 PM
Been lerkin and working too much this summer. Count me in , I'm trying to get the in-laws boat ,but we will see. I'll be coming in from the Cotuit side . Watch out for the bird cops who come around asking for your Audubon pass on busy weekends. If I can snag the old mans boat look for and old yellow hull and I'll help move people. Jim O

craig
08-18-2000, 08:39 PM
Hey all,

Ready to bust them, got the canoe loaded, motor running, plenty of gas, etc. Will see everyone at exit # 5 at 5:00am. My cell phone number is 508-783-0605, see you there!

Lots of backing,

Craig

juro
08-18-2000, 10:42 PM
dOh! I can't pick up the dory that time of morning due to guests at the cottage. I'll be bringing my one-man pontoon boat instead (unfortunately). This can be towed back to the launch by any small canoe or yak so that someone else can row it over. The crossing is very short. I'll be happy to take the shuttle helm to let Craig or whomever brings a shuttle boat to let them fish.

It will slow things down a little but I hear there may be an extra canoe showing up anyway. Hopefully it will pick up the slack.

Jim O - we'll be looking for ya! (Thanks a million in advance)

Juro

Chowdah Bob
08-20-2000, 10:39 PM
Scup can be caught on squid (bait)
I've also caught them jigging a shiny lure like a deadly dick.

One was to access Dead Neck at cotuit and be legal is to launch at Prince cove and back the car on the grass back where the road meets rt 28.

It will be long paddle (very long).