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11-08-2005, 12:24 PM
what exactly are a lot the spey flies you guys use out west supposed to represent?

Big K1
11-08-2005, 03:24 PM
A Spey Fly!!! :D I tie my flies to represent absolutely nothing except for eye candy for myself.

Salar 33
11-08-2005, 04:47 PM


11-08-2005, 08:01 PM
I suppose a Spey fly is supposed to mimic some kind of shrimp.

What it actually represents is a very special level of frustration that comes from trying to dress them exactly like John Shewey or Bob Veverka would.



11-10-2005, 10:53 AM
Spey flies also sort of resemble Dee split wings. Some steelhead can't even tell the difference.


11-10-2005, 04:24 PM
In Chris Mann's Hairwing & Tube flies for Salmon & Steelhead he states "In Kelson's time and earlier it was still believed that salmon ate butterflies and other insects when they entered the river." He goes on to quote Drury who stated "The extradorinary fact is, not that Kelson held these beliefs, but that succeeding generations of salmon fly-fishermen have apparently accepted the products of ignorance and misconception with question....(pg.7)

Not sure if the early spey flies were designed with these beliefs as well, but pretty interesting anyhow.

11-11-2005, 11:56 AM
The original spey flies - the ones developed and used on the Spey rather than 'out West' - aren't tied to represent anything specific, since salmon don't feed in freshwater. The general profile, with their low-built arched backs and long, mobile trailing hackles is broadly like a small fish or other sea creature on which the salmon may have fed, and such features may induce a response from the fish, but the notion of imitation of a particular prey species doesn't really feature in my approach to salmon fishing.

11-14-2005, 07:55 AM
Like it or not, I think Kevinís statement is the most accurate in this day and age. And Iím not saying that it's a bad thing. :hihi:


11-16-2005, 09:48 AM
When fishing for steelhead and salmon we are not so much tricking the fish with their need for sustenance as your trout flies might do.

These fish are bionically fortified with nutritious fats and oils in excess of mere survival, they are chrome plated alpha fish on a mission leaping 10 ft waterfalls and defying their humble roots as stream dwelling smolt to achieve one of the true marvels of all life on earth.

In process of their herculean feat, they have a few weaknesses. Just as a warrior keeps a ribbon from his maidens hair in pocket or uses a timepiece from his late father to keep time there are certain ties that bind the roots of it's past being to the present no matter how fierce it may become.

It is these things we exploit, and so when we do so with the most worthwhile offerings we do these magnificent fish some justice in our lust to temporarily conquer the conquerer of thousands of sea miles and torrential currents to rest at our hands for a moment before continuing it's mission.

For this task, there are hardly any flies worthy enough - although through the ages we have tried to express this in the many patterns we have conjured.

So I ask you (rhetorically) - what is a "bullet head zonker" supposed to be? :lildevl:

11-16-2005, 03:20 PM
its a leech with a gold head juro

thanks for the answers fellas

11-16-2005, 05:32 PM
Sorry for the rhetoric, yes I have used them and they are deadly. Just playin' with ya, and in truth - you asked a very good question!

11-16-2005, 05:45 PM
its all cool juro not a problem with the rhetoric