: Looking for advise on rod weight
08-30-2005, 03:45 PM
I have been fishing for salmon and steelhead in the Ontario tributaries for about 6 years now with excellent success. However, I want to get a longer rod. I would like so stay at as low of line weight as possible but I am unsure it you need a larger weight rod as the blank gets longer. I am going back and forth between the tfo 12'6" 8 weight and the 14' 9 weight. I want to use this rod for both salmon and steelhead. Any advise would be very appreciated.
08-30-2005, 04:09 PM
I also fish the Ontario tribs quite extensively and for most of them a 12’ to 13’ 8wt should do the job adequately. Most of the Ontario tribs are on the smaller side. Even the Niagara River seems to fish better with a smaller rod because of the short range you are fishing (most of the fish are very close to shore). A 14 foot 9wt is also a good choice and probably a better rod to learn how to spey cast with, but it can be to much rod on some of the smaller tribs. Even Oak Orchard creek seems to small for the 14 footer.
I too was interested in a rod that was suitable for salmon and steelies in the GL tribs. I choose the CND 14' 4" Steelhead Specialist for three compelling reasons.
1. As Charlie mentioned, this length and weight is arguably optimal for the beginner eager to experience the many two hand possibilities.
2. When you mentioned tangling with 30 lb salmon in your search for early steel, a rod in this range will benefit the rod itself, other anglers (waiting), and the fish.
3. There are other waters and other fish
A bit of overkill for water this size? Perhaps, unless you, like I, anticipate that there are more rods to come inthe future.
08-31-2005, 09:37 AM
This is the standard GL dilemma. There's not much difference in fish fighting ability between a 12'6" 8 wt. and a 14' 9 wt. as the longer rod gives the fish a leverage advantage. I've had GL steelies hand my butt to me when using a 14'6" 10 wt. so that aspect shouldn't be a factor in your decision making for a longer rod.
It's all about usage. If you're sight fishing for chinook at close range, then the shorter the rod the better. If you need to cast far or sling long, heavy tips, then the longer rod is better.
I've fished the Niagara with a 13' 8 wt., a 14' 9/10 and a 15'6" 11 wt. I still haven't come to a full decision as to which is best. I figure that my 11' Atlantis is best for the Whirlpool and my 15 footer would be best at Art Park -- there's no easy answer -- it depends where you fish.
I've caught chinook on a 13' 8 wt. and hooked (not caught) steelhead in the Whirlpool on the same rod. I had a damn difficult time moving the chinook with the 13 footer went they went into a deep hole and refused to budge. In the Whirlpool, the chromers simply ripped off line until some thing gave. If this is the sort of thing you want to do, then the TFO 1212 might be a better choice.
If you're fishing the smaller tribs like the Credit River, then the 12'6" TFO will be the right choice. The Grand, Maitland and the Saugeen are better served by the 14 footer.
09-01-2005, 05:53 AM
imho a 13-8 is about all the rod needed to fish the gl tribs for steelhead. that is a little light for chinooks but would you rather be undergunned ocassionaly or overgunned all the time? there is no "one rod" for any fishery, you should get a rod that covers what you fish for most well and deal with other situations when they arrive. the 8 is plenty of rod to turn a 15 lb fish if it can be turned, your tippet strength will determine that before the rod does. go out and cast the two (14-9, 13-8) and see what you think there is quite a difference between the two. if you want the length look at a 14-8 there are plenty as well. feel free to pm me if you want to cast some different rods and see what YOU like.
I find it absolutely necessary to own them all. Whether I can or not is another story... :D
Seriously, great advice above!
09-01-2005, 09:51 AM
To catch fish you will need to own at least 6 different rods, don't let anyone tell you otherwise :devil: . If you own a home there are financing options available. I believe some of the fly shops have gotten into the business of offering second mortgages. :lildevl: .
09-01-2005, 09:51 AM
Thanks for the advise. I am currently leaning towards the 13-8
09-01-2005, 10:14 AM
Finally, some bad advise to complain about. :devil: :lildevl: :devil: :lildevl: Gillie is dead wrong, I have 6 spey rods, and I can tell you, it is not enough.
09-04-2005, 02:13 PM
I'm with Juro and Charlie....too much is just enough.
I use a 12' 8wt. Heritage for the kings and a 11' 1/2 7wt. Hardy travel for steelies and salar on the SR. As for reels , I use a Hardy S2000 on the kings and a JLH for the steelies. Versitip lines. I have a 14' 9/10 DB for bigger rivers and 15' 10/11 DB Backwater overhead casting in coastal situations. Plus others....you get the idea.
Depends on what your doing and how much time and $$$ to spend with the two handed systems. It's taken me years to develop my arsenal, and I'm sure there more to come, like a CND.
My 2 cents,
09-10-2005, 08:28 PM
Well I got my new 12'6" 8 wt TFO spey rod Wednesday and I went up to the DSR today. I hooked into a decent fish in the 20-25lb range and was really enjoying the fight when my four piece rod turned into a six piece. I know you all are going to ask what I did wrong, but I can tell you that I did nothing to cause this. I was only fishing with 10# leader and 8# tip. I guess I will find out how that warranty works now. Overall fishing was alittle slow. I am glad I had my "old" rod with me.
Although I joked about wanting every rod made, I think this points out an important consideration. A steelhead rod and a chinook rod are really two different beasts whether single hand or double.
Steelhead, coho, and atlantics can be most enjoyed and caught with similar rods for the most part with variations depending on river size, time of year, fish size, etc.
Chinook are in a different size class and I fish a very stout rod for them. Another option is to go with lower modulus graphites which are usually stronger. Spey is a relaxing thing anyway so if you don't need to set any distance records (e.g. DSR sized rivers) it might fit the bill.
In any case, the T&T 13/8 is a fine rod and they stand behind their warranty program 100%.