: Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
03-30-2001, 12:15 PM
Ok time to gear up. I'm no entymologist. My limited knowledge get's me by but I want to expand it slowly.
What are your top 2 flies in each category? Please KEEP IT SIMPLE and short. A complicated discussion of aqautic insectea will be a bore and complicate things further.Give your fly and a short sentence why you use it.
1. Adams- looks like a mosquito, everyone else sells them
2. Brown Caddis- only Caddis color I see in NE Ma. streams
1. Woolly Bugger (black beeded)- works in ponds
2. Green or white Hornberg- Kicks but on Ma. hatchery trout
1. Gold wrapped Hares Ear- all I know, caught a few on it
2. Beeded Pheasant Tail- heard it works
1. Hopper- Someone gave me some, besides- ever read "Big 2 Hearted River"?
2. Ants- someone gave me some
Around New England you need to add:
black gnat (dry)
and a gnat emerger
smelt patterns - marabou smelt, ghosts, etc.
Beadhead tan biot stone - very effective for me
black biot stone
I like to fish muddlers dry
03-30-2001, 02:28 PM
This is difficult, condensing fly selection down to a couple for each category....
Your choices are great, I will not repeat but add a couple I find good in each category.
1. Compara Duns/sparkle dun - more of fly style than an individual. Vary the color and size to best match current mayfly hatch.
2. Elkhair/deerhair caddis - same as above
Wets (I would call these emergers):
1. soft hackle flies - color and size to match current insect hatch. Particular favorites pheasant tail and hare's ear, these match (well approximate) the color of many of the mayfly and caddis fly insect hatches that occur the first couple months of the season.
1. Prince Nymph - works great, hard to beat the magic of peacock herl
2. Red fox squirrel nymph - started using this years ago following an article by Dave Whitlock, it just works.
3. Flying ants
Don't mean to overload you, but I said it would be hard to do....
03-30-2001, 07:36 PM
These first four would be the flies I would choose if limited to only four.
Bead head prince nymph
San Juan worm With the San Juan fished under the bead head you simply can not go wrong - definitely a go to setup
With only two I say go with attractors
I rarely use them ...
egg sucking leach
04-02-2001, 02:41 PM
How about those Blue Winged Olives? Anyone use them?
04-02-2001, 03:32 PM
I use the BWO frequently. In fact it is my second most used mayfly imitator following the light cahill. You should definitely have some in your box.
04-02-2001, 03:55 PM
Oh Boy... More flies to tye... I have done 350+ for saltwater... please ,please is the list above what should be tied because I am not able to start a rampage on trout flies... I've just got all the supllies for Bonefish(for next Years trip) and will do "ALL" of Dick Browns Bahama recomended flies... But the assortment of trout flies really seems daunting.. I know I could limit it at first.. I know I could... I know I could...I know I could.... I know I could... "SLAP" get back to reality,. Morin for god's sake.
04-02-2001, 05:18 PM
Well John you would certainly have your work cut out for you if you do with trout patterns what you have done with saltwater patterns.
For a basic but still fairly inclusive fly box I would include the following:
Adams, 12, 16
Light Cahill, 12, 16
Blue Wing Olive, 12, 16
Royal Wulff, 10, 12, 16
Royal Coachman, 12, 16
Adams Wulff, 10, 12, 16
Elk Hair Caddis, tan and olive, 12, 16
Yellow Humpy, 12, 16
Baetis and PMD Comparadun, 16, 18
Tan, Cream, and Black Midge, 20, 22
Black Ant, 12, 16
Yellow Stimulator, 10, 14
Hopper pattern, 10, 14
Bead Head Hairs Ear, 12, 14
Bead Head Prince, 12, 14
Bead Head Pheasant Tail, 12, 14
San Juan Worm, 10, 14
And if you are going out west you would do good to tie up things like the bitch creek, the montana stone and various other stonefly types. There that ought to keep you busy. http://www.flyfishingforum.com/images/flytalk/Happy.gif
BTW if you are fishing nymphs with an indicator and the fish are occasionally hitting the indicator (it's happend to me many, many times) putting on a yellow humpy or stimulator will often bring that fish up.
04-02-2001, 07:57 PM
Thanks Hawkeye, maybe this will help me get a grip but I have every intention to set with the basics.
04-02-2001, 08:02 PM
22 Midge's! HOHOHOHOHOHHAHAHAha.SNORT..hahahahahaHEHEHEHEheheh ehehe!
Homey don't tie those no mo! I'll just have to buy 'em.
All kidding aside I know they work but I can't see them anymore.
I have some of those itsy bitsy teeny weeny dry fly hooks if you want some let me know.
Terry, You'll kill me but:
Dry flies best Blue Dun Hackle sise 12 to 18. midges sise #28
Wet flies Blue Dun Hackle
Nymph Sparrow, and Pheasant Tail
Streamer, My Trouteater patterns
I have 3 years of a fishing log, over 900 trout taken, most released , if interested I will have to look for my records.
04-02-2001, 09:19 PM
This took me a while to bring it down to 8 flies so here goes. In order of confidence in their ability to catch fish they are.
1. Soft hackle wet. My favorite is a weighted # 14-16 hook with a body of peacock herl & 2 turns of webby blue dun hen hackle. Exceedingly simple to tie & very effective.
2. "Drowned" Adams size 16-18, a beat up adams dry fly that suspends 1-2 inches below the surface.
3. Pheasant tail nymph, with or without weight, or with a foam wing case. well may be this one counts as three patterns.
4. Hornberg tied dryfly style with a single wood duck flank feather folded over the top of the hook. This one can be fished dry or wet to imitate fish fry or a caddis. It is particularly effective as a wet fly when it rises to the surface at the downstream end of a drift.
5. Light Cahill dry
6. Black ant fished wet or dry.
7. Aussable Wulff #12-14 for pocket water and as an indicator fly for the soft hackle wet or PT nymphs.
8. A sparse caddis dry fly.
Just missing the cut were black nosed dace, muddler minnow, bead head PT nymph, Prince nymph, Blue wing olive dry & wet, an all white spinner and a march brown dry.
I have to add that I agree with Sully on tying midges. Buy tham at a shop near where you will fish rather than tying them its much easier, and you normally get better info when you spend some money in a shop.
04-02-2001, 09:42 PM
Thanks Sully, I can Hardly wait....now move closer to the screen, that's right ,closer. Are you about an inch away... good.. now I will give you twenty hooks like the ones you offered me...here they are--jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj. Like you Sully I like to call them "noseeums". Also Sully, could you pinch the barbs down for me before you send them. Here, I'll even lend you the pliers - Y
04-03-2001, 12:23 PM
I'm with you 100%. In fact the cost of trout flies is low enough that for me it is cheaper in terms of materials and my time to just buy them. Hence I tie very few of my trout patterns and certainly not midges.
You are having a laugh over size 22 midges, we just got back from the san juan and caught some real pigs on size 24 and 26 midge patterns. If you plan to fish the tailwaters out west these small sizes are an absolute must. We used thread midges, miracle nymphs and black sparkle midge emergers in 22 to 26 for the nymphing. We caught rising fish on stillborn midges size 24 with a size 26 RS-2 at the point. I'll post some pictures when they get in.
04-03-2001, 01:13 PM
I think this was more about tying them than fishing them. I suppose I would try to tie them but you can bet it would not be alot.. so if they were the fly of the day I would probably buy them.
04-03-2001, 03:19 PM
Thanks everyone, good dope-couple comments:
John D- My attempt at floating a dry Adams always ends up with a drowned fly 2 inches below the surface. SO I got that covered http://www.flyfishingforum.com/images/flytalk/Happy.gif
What do you guys prefer for floatant? I got "DAB" but it ruins the pattern.
Brad- What size tippets were you using on those midge patterns? 7X? Leader length?
04-04-2001, 08:17 PM
Here is my selection
RIVERS & STREAMS STILLWATER
Dry: Elk Hair Caddis 12-18 Mitch's Sedge 10-14
Chopaka May 14-18 Parachute Adams 12-18
Wet Soft Hackle Baetis 14-16 Seal Shrimp 12-16
Soft Hackle wet-dry 12-14 Calibaetis 14-16
Nymph San Juan Worm 8-10 '52 Buick 14-16
Red Fox Squirrel Tail BH 12 Damsel Fly 10-12
Streamer Cone Head leech 2-6 Blood Leech-Seal 6-8
Gander Minnow 2-4 Carey Special 4-6
Terestial Ants 12-16 Beetle 12-14
Hoppers 6-10 Pine Moth 8-12
+ Various Chironomids for all still waters
So what am I doing with 780million or so other patterns in my stuff?
04-04-2001, 08:22 PM
The post should read 1st & 3rd fly are for rivers , second and fourth are for stillwater
04-06-2001, 12:10 PM
I had to check the vest to give an answer to this one. For floatant I currently use Aquel by Loon. Gink is similar to this floatant. Both of these are rubbed into the fly and may bend the fly into a different appearance. In my opinion I have never lost a fish due to this, and may actually have caught more fish because the fly appeared as a cripple that is easier for a fish to catch. I've been meaning to try the waterproofing solutions that have to dry overnight but I haven't gotten around to it. I've used other sprays and liquids in the past and didn't like the oily rings around the fly.
Having looked at Pete's post that separates the flies out into running & still waters I feel that I should add that my fly selection is for my favored type of water, flowing with relatively low numbers of anglers. It would change if I were on stillwaters or in trout management areas most of the time.
04-06-2001, 12:27 PM
Terry, try FROGS FANNY, got some back at the wilmington show and it works great! It can be put on nymphs also to hold air bubbles on the bottom, and man i'll tell you does it look real!