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juro
07-15-2005, 02:33 PM
I envy those who are going to seek some refuge this weekend. It's going to be crowded, but many of the tourists have stripes. I can't wait to read the reports on Monday.

JayM
07-15-2005, 05:24 PM
Juro,

I'll try to get a few for you. I think I told you I'm now using a boat around Chatham. It's a deep V, so tough to get onto the flats.

I can confirm that there good fish on the outside of S. Monomoy. Fished Bearses Shoal last weekend and caught a good number of 10-15# stripers on super light spinning gear and a few smaller ones with the fly rod. Interestingly all had tons of lice. Good number of blues in the mix as well (plus a dogfish shark).

Spent some time eating lunch on the west side of S. Monomoy about even with the light house. My buddy (who doesn't fish much) looks out and asks me why there are so many fish in the water. A large pod was transiting around our boat - lots of good size bass. We threw everything from spin surface lures, storms, etc. to one of your flies (yes, I still have one for a long time ago) but couldn't get any takers. They seemed determined to get to the North Flats and Stage Harbor!

Jay

juro
07-15-2005, 09:07 PM
Those fish can be had. The fly isn't really the issue, concentrate on presentation in those cases. Intent fish swim in straight lines unlike grubbing bass that are all over the flat in zig zaggy lines. This intent can be used to the angler's advantage.

Anyway, thanks for the confirmation - even though I am not there this weekend I've been able to easily piece together the evidence and it's clear what is happening.

I hope they hold out until I get my time off (soon). Someone go block the exit for a while :D

Rip Ryder
07-15-2005, 10:53 PM
Hi Juro,

Some fish being seen on the flats at both N Monomoy and South Beach by the few and I do mean few fisherman that are coming out. I think this week the big day was a total of 6 wading the flats at once. The other good news is the boat traffic is WAY down compared to years past even on Sundays. The south tip of SB gets crowded as an anchorage, but the channel isn't that bad.

Fish are real picky now, I think it is that time of year to break out the crab flies and shrimp patterns and any secret weapons you may have in your fly collections.

The fisherman are so scarce, that poor Paxton had the place to himself earlier in the week. I think he was kind of lonely out there.


Capt Keith

Paxton
07-16-2005, 07:53 AM
Sure Keith....tell everyone of the secret place I go where I see no other fishermen!!!! :mad: It was a bit surreal to say the least. Thanks for not forgetting me!!! :)
Ron

juro
07-16-2005, 08:16 AM
The striper underground has been active with reports of being alone on flats buzzing thick with new arrivals and established residents alike. Based on the types of numbers being seen, my guess is that this is a large percentage of the missing late spring push just coming on to the scene along with the second wave of forage (in fact I am certain the two events are tied together now).

So this year we have a unique combination of summer conditions and migrating fish at an odd time of year. Even though the conditions are getting doggy there are lots of dark migrants moving in, and trying to move on but getting a little held up by recent changes.

Sure they are not as intent on settling in as much as the residents, they seem to be in a hurry to leave all the time. They are focused in being elsewhere and it shows, and we'll see them at Singing Beach in October on their way back from Maine.

They seem picky and act distinctly different from the resident Monomoy fish, which are the pickiest of the picky. Picky and pickier. But they can be had, each in their own way, persistence pays. Once unlocked, not all that challenging really, not like the ghostly 40" singles that roostertail off the flat from your best presentation of a tiny shrimp fly on a gossamer tippet.

These transient pods are a gift in mid-July. With the bunker wave coming soon we might not even have a dog day period this year.

We might be able to draw some theories and conclusions on the shape of things to come during 'normal' years as a result of the southway constriction based on what happens next.

bonefishmon
07-16-2005, 05:44 PM
Fisherman scarce on the flats? I'll bet you won't see as many Ford Expeditions around town either! These fuel prices are getting outrageous and there seems to be no end in sight.

I fished SB last year around this time and got my butt licked really bad by dozens of large triples, doubles and singles. I did not arrive with the bonefish box which holds a few tan crabs. May have worked. My quarter size green crabs work great
at the, whoops! Sorry Juro. Can't go there. I've never seen the green variety at the elbow.

Juro, you're killing me! Please PM me some advice on SB alternatives. It's a longer drive home with that skunk smell in the car!!!!!!! I realize fly choice is imperative and that there is much more to it than that. The cast, the strip, low profile... etc.. Big concern now is fly choice.



Phil

juro
07-17-2005, 12:11 AM
Phil,

If I had gotten out at all over these past grueling days I would have come to your little honey hole by now!

Seems the boys had a hard time of it today despite seeing lots of fish. Maybe I am wrong, maybe they are that picky... but then again maybe they are not.

It's all in the presentation, in fact with that going right you might not have to change flies all week unless you cast to the bluefish.

Forecasting possible tstorms tomorrow - not a day to wander too far from taller objects and dry land.

Xiphias
07-17-2005, 06:45 PM
Alright not flats but grandcentral certainly. The cut being closed sends everyone south by default. I counted 30 boats rounding The point in about five minutes while out for my annual trip with the nephews and Bruce Peters. We also had 5 boats rigged for tuna follow us out in the fog. And they're going for tuna?
xiphias

Rip Ryder
07-17-2005, 08:12 PM
:eek:

Phil

I think you hit it on the nose. Today, Sunday 7/17 there were maybe 30 boats all total anchored up on South Beach, tha's total from end to end. There are usually that many dropping their anchor lines right in my landing zone. These July Sundays are like early June weekends. At 3- 3.50 per gallon at the gas dock people are not moving there boats and never mind driving down here to look at them.

The admiral and I have been sign watching since the 4th of July. Not one "NO VACANCY" sign yet on rt 28 from Harwich to Chatham. Even the restaurants are empty. Between Marley's and the ROO Bar on Friday night at 6pm, I think they had 20 cars total. OUCH!!

:confused: Very strange year ??!!!

Capt Keith

FishHawk
07-18-2005, 04:25 AM
It won't be long before gas will hit the $3. It will be around that and higher next summer. This will cause a lot of changes in everyone's life style. FishHawk :frown:

bonefishmon
07-18-2005, 07:17 AM
Any new marketing strategies in the works. Now's the time to start getting really creative! The punch card idea is good. Another Great White would be tremendous! LOL!!!!! Just kidding. How about a fishing contest each week with each winner entering for an end of summer Championship. The more often you fish, the better chance of winning! They would have to use your shuttle, of course. For example, the Grand prize being unlimited shuttles the following summer. If the Mayor wins I'm sure he'll bring lots of paying guests more often to help you out even further! Just an idea. Hope it helps!!!!!!

Oh yeh, Keith. Tell all the Chatham squads I fixed that tail light! They can stop looking for me now. He, he, he!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phil

Swordfish
07-18-2005, 08:18 AM
Thats alot of boats!

Broadbill
07-18-2005, 10:16 AM
I suspect the the Massachusetts Commercial season on striped bass, which opened on 7/12, accounts for some of the increased boat traffic. For the regs governing that, see here: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dmf/recreationalfishing/stripedbass.htm#commreg

Adrian
07-18-2005, 10:56 AM
In the flat calm conditions that greeted us last Saturday morning I made an observation that I had never really noticed before. When the fly touched the water, the concentric ripple pattern was very apparent - much more so than when there is a slight breeze rippling the surface. The really interesting observation was the behavior of fish as their path intersected with the expanding ripple at which point they would suddenly veer off - long before they got a good look at the fly/leader etc. I've seen this 'spooky' behavior many times before but the flat calm made everthing visible.

Even when there is a slight ripple on the water, the effect of a fly hitting the surface will be apparent a good distance from the impact point and easily detected by the sensitive lateral line. The nature of the splash is important ( a big component in the presentation) and I think there may be some clues for fly design.

Saturday and Sunday on the flats were simliar in terms of presence of fish - present in the morning and gone in the afternoon. I found the fish more receptive on Sunday. There was a breeze (actually blowing a good 25 - 30 mph by the afternoon). The majority of fish I saw were singles up to 26" that had been on the flats for a while. There were a couple of smaller pods of darker fish that were likely new arrivals. I did well with a simple sparse bendback bucktail pattern. Unlike the previous day, when the presentation was right, the "sound" of the fly touching down seemed to be a turn-on rather than a turn-off.

Nick
07-18-2005, 11:32 AM
I was out there and bumped into Adrian and Jeff B. saturday morning. Fish were around while the fog hung in until around 11. As the sun cleared out, so did the fish. THere was ZERO current, just a dropping tide evident by the growing beach. Saw good numbers in the morning, but with the fog and haze, they were on us before we saw them. Ended up with one small guy to show for my efforts. Calmest day I've ever been on South Beach. I mean no wind.

Nick

seuss
07-18-2005, 05:09 PM
spent the week chasing stripes with decent success, for me anyway. with lots of family down, didn't get out as much as i'd like, but 4 hours a day on the flats proved enough time to grab 6-10 fish/day early in the week...with a couple bruisers in the mix...boy did that backing look good :biggrin: . on and off sun/haze/fog made sighting difficult at times, at which time i fished using "the force" :confused: with spotty results. something to work on i suppose. but there were plenty of fish stacked up on bait, so fishing the channels blind helped fill time in between sun patterns.

to juros point earlier in this thread, i fished the same fly all week. not just the same pattern...literally the same single fly. between fishes 10 and 20, it was looking pretty pathetic, but it still worked. that is, until some (s)crappy bluefish stole it off morris :mad:

of particular interest were the behaviour differences between those fish sighted on the incoming versus the outgoing. specifically as these differences seem to relate to the mix of residents versus migrants as juro references above. and how grabby some were versus others. i hooked up on one fish who literally tail walked to snatch my fly out of the air as I began a new cast. unbelievable. scared the crap out of me b/c he was so close and without the sun i didn't see him coming.

saturday was beautiful. dead calm, the calmest i've ever seen it (also weakest tide of the week which didn't seem to be helping). beautiful fog early and rainbow. plenty of big single/double scroungers around, but by the time you saw them (maybe 10 ft), it was too late. and to adrians point, incredibly spooky. once the fog burned off, i had some of what i would consider my better presentations...long long leads, perfect positioning, but rarely got a chance to even think about moving the fly. b/c as soon as the it hit the water, the fish were gone. b-line for deeper water. and by then, there were also fewer around. very sterile. and no moving water. for whatever reason, i also was a bit trigger happy saturday, pulling the fly out of at least 3 willing mouths...stupid...stupid. i hate when i do that. and thus closed off my week with a skunk, go figure.

i also saw something i've never seen on SB before, which was some kind of commercial ??clam boat?? that dredged the flats with some kind of chain metal rake/basket device. stirred everything up, killed water clarity, and no doubt spooked anything/everything in it's path. sucked really. boat captain seemed to go out of his way NOT to make eye-contact with any of the fishers 30-50yds his Port. i hope this doesn't become a regular occurrence.

great seeing Adrian and Nick, albeit for a short while. wish I knew Tyler was down earlier...the company and supplementary brain cells to decode would have been nice, especially during the week when no one else was out there. not that i'm complaining about having the flatz entirely to myself. come to think of it, this entire post is a recollection of a dream. the dog dayz are upon us. and there are no fish around. so may as well stay in, polish your gear, and tie up some flies for the fall migration, if it comes. i'll post to let you know when it does :rolleyes:

Xiphias
07-18-2005, 08:12 PM
The guide kept pointing out a few commercial towing wire and the like. Not one was catching fish. I will note that while we thought the fishing slow, only five keepers from the rips, no one else was catching anything either.
xiphias

Nick
07-19-2005, 06:40 AM
i also saw something i've never seen on SB before, which was some kind of commercial ??clam boat?? that dredged the flats with some kind of chain metal rake/basket device. stirred everything up, killed water clarity, and no doubt spooked anything/everything in it's path. sucked really. boat captain seemed to go out of his way NOT to make eye-contact with any of the fishers 30-50yds his Port. i hope this doesn't become a regular occurrence.:

Forgot about that thing. It looked just like seuss described. I assumed it had to be a clam boat, but there was a really strange "processing" station on board with constant water flow. If it was on an offshore boat, i would have said it was a meat grinder for chum...any ideas?

seuss
07-19-2005, 08:35 AM
boat looked like this

Nick
07-19-2005, 02:44 PM
Little smaller though I thought with a lot less rigging...maybe i'm not remembering correctly though. SHould have snapped a pic.

seuss
07-19-2005, 05:19 PM
it's a bad pic, but i think that was pretty much it. possibly a little shorter, but much of the mess on the back was in the water. note the metal cage device hanging off the back which looks precisely like what he was dragging.

doogue
07-19-2005, 09:29 PM
Go Seuss.

Glad you had some good days out there Jeff.

Sorry I could not make it down. I have a NH code to break this year.

We will get together either for funny fish or the yearly assault on Cape Ann.

Talk to you soon,

Mike