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: I feel like a traitor...


teflon_jones
04-27-2005, 02:27 PM
After years of almost exclusively fly fishing, I've found myself picking up the spinning or baitcasting rods for all of my trips lately. I started out the year with the fly rod, but after a bad day of casting out of my float tube with 15 MPH winds, I brought the bait casting rod the next time out. The 4.5 lb largemouth that took my spinnerbait got me hooked on fishing with the regular tackle again, and it's been hard to go back, especially since my season so far has been probably the most successful of my life. I've caught the biggest largemouth (2 weeks ago) and pickerel (last night) of my life already, and the season is just getting started.

I just feel like a traitor after so many years with the fly rod. But that damn float tube is just so hard to cast out of when the wind is blowing at 15 MPH across the lake, and I'm getting lazy in my old age... :o

I'm definitely going to use the fly rod on the flats for stripers this spring/summer though, so hopefully that will redeem me in the eyes of the fly fishing gods!!!

Does anybody else here dabble on the dark side, or do you stick with your fly rod all the time?

new2fly
04-27-2005, 02:39 PM
i guess you could say i feal the same way about spinning gear. i have always used spinning gear all my life and now i am really getting hooked on fly fishing. However i dont see the big point when someguys are so hardcore that they dont even want to hear the words " spinning gear ". when it comes right down to it, its all about fishing and doing something you love to do. someguys fish spinning gear differently but they cant say that there way is better or more right than the other guys tactics. Then there are guys that fly fish, and the way i see it, its just another way to do what we all love doing and that is catching fish. :smile:

MJC
04-27-2005, 03:22 PM
I just feel like a traitor after so many years with the fly rod.

I don't think you should feel that way at all. Fishing should be about personal enjoyment. If fishing with "gear" gives you that enjoyment then by all means use "gear".
As the owner of a tiny "fly shop" I do not sell any "gear". Having said that I am not ashamed to say I have spent a great many pleasurable hours with bait casting and spinning tackle in my hands. Someone said "Life is short, enjoy the ride." This is good advice no matter what tackle choice you make.

juro
04-27-2005, 04:41 PM
Everyone's entitled to their own preferences... do what makes you feel good.


(just don't use the site for confession) :cool:

JimW
04-27-2005, 04:53 PM
Sometimes it's a matter of the right tool for the job. I don't jig cod with 10000 grain super sink line and I don't go after sunnies with a fighting belt and 50lb braid.

I stuck with the flyrod exclusively for a few years and now I'll often use what makes sense at the time. I think the boat factor is what brought me back to spin and conventional gear, it's quite common to find a situation where the water is really ripping or very deep and the fly gear just doesn't do what's needed, other times as you say it's the WIND and my lack of ability to cast in it. The kids are another factor, the spin gear is just safer and I can hand off a sacrificial rod to them when they find it harder to hook up.
Sometimes I'll stick with the fly gear even if conditions are not ideal, I don't always catch fish that way but I do usually learn something, and sometimes I get much more satisfaction out of a lesson learned than the actual catching.

BigDave
04-27-2005, 05:17 PM
Turn the page, dude.

People should do what they want to do and what they think is fun.

However, one will never become a better flyfisherman if one bails out to the spin gear every time the wind kicks up or conditions are not "ideal". The hardcore guys I respect the most are the ones who can come up with creative solutions and skill sets to get around nasty weather/water that would keep most guys at home in front of the TV.

These are the real hardcore flyguys - not the ones who go out and tear'em up when it's FAC or with a guide and brag about it on the interet.

.02

jfbasser
04-27-2005, 05:31 PM
Getting off a good cast into the wind with a big Willowleaf Spinnerbait can be as difficult as getting rid of those tailings loops....Diversity is a challenge in itself :smokin:

Penguin
04-27-2005, 06:42 PM
Group pink-belly intervention! :eek:
...If it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger! (maybe)

I'm with Big Dave on this one... :razz:

rooster
04-27-2005, 10:17 PM
Hey Pedro,
How do you think Walt and I have been catching the smallmouths.., Do what FEELS GOOD! It's all fishing and that beats work anyday!
See you in a few weeks.
DK

billg
04-28-2005, 08:02 AM
I agree with the consensus here. While I enjoy fly fishing and do very little spin fishing, the bottom line is that I enjoy fishing, period.

When you fish in salt water for stripers or bone fish and the wind is an issue, spin fishing becomes not only practical but also poses less of a "hazard" then throwing flies. I also believe that when you are taking someone who is not an experienced fly angler out the best thing you can do is make them comfortable with fishing. If they are struggling with casting distance and/or accuracy, breaking out a spinning rod is the trick to making them feel comfortable.

I used spinning gear last year for a little while during one of my striper trips because after 4 hours of throwing flies into a stiff wind my arm was ready for a break (I had to keep it in tip-top shape for my salmon fishing!) I also like to fish mackerel with my kids in Quebec and it is not practical to fly fish on a boat with the kids.

Bill Greiner

teflon_jones
04-28-2005, 01:13 PM
Well, thanks for your thoughts, but my fly fishing gear keeps giving me nasty looks every time I leave it behind. I think it's plotting a coup... One of these days I'm going to come home to bits and pieces of my spinning rods scattered around the basement...

Juro, if I can't confess here, where can I? Fishing is my religion! :tongue:


I've been focused on fly fishing for about 17 years now and probably have done 90+% fly fishing over that time. My great success in the numbers of fish I was catching kept me at it and I never wanted to go back to the spinning gear, but I've never caught such big fish as I have so far this year. I think I need to find some magic that will get me those big fish on my fly rod so I can go back to my true love. :)

solitude
04-28-2005, 04:27 PM
I love flyfishing, but nothing quite beats bouncing a bucktail jig along the rocks in fifteen foot of water for hefty bronzebacks. Flyrod, or spinning rod, the moment is the same.......uncertainty at the end of a line.

"No one can tell what a spot of time is until suddenly the whole world is a fish and the fish is gone."

- Norman Maclean

juro
04-28-2005, 05:31 PM
Juro, if I can't confess here, where can I? Fishing is my religion! :tongue:
There are may houses in which you may choose to "worship" but when you enter one you agree to honor it's ways.

This is a house of flyfishing.

dewey
04-28-2005, 09:50 PM
I'd like to say I appreciate this thread. Even though it's about spin-fishing it is in the context of fly-fishing. I do not think it is out of place here.
That being said, what, teflon, are you doing with your spin stuff that is different from what you do with a flyrod? I suggest you try to replicate what you are doing on a spinner with a fly. I have incorporated this thinking into flyfishing many times, and it often works. I think of that Popovics fly that he based on a classic yellow plug. It's all fishing and they all influence each other. I can remember on the few times I've spinfished in that last several years tying on a muddler minnow with a splitshot. It ain't all black and white.
My point is to funnel your knowledge from the GEAR to you what you do with a fly.
And tough it out like BigDave says.

tbeez41
04-29-2005, 12:09 AM
i always bring a spinning rod with me for a just in case, wether if it is impossible casting with a single handed rod or if one of the rods breaks

if you like bassfishing, use a fly called a coyote. it has a lil spinner on it and kills bass in shallow water

DEERHAAWK
04-29-2005, 12:46 AM
Only FLY. Nothing but....FLY!
I believe it to be the OLDEST form of Fishing with a rod.
The Macidonians practiced it. Rumor has it that Adam taught a form of Flyfishing to his sons.
It is Purity by being fishing in its most basic form, yet with a technical side that gives a person the ability for a lifelong pursuit without ever being the same experience twice. It is at the same time simple, yet elegent and perfect! It is oneness with the Spirit, the culmination of a system that is as old as time itself. It is Man and Nature in Harmony

FLY! Count me in that camp, with my fellow Brothers of the Angle.
I have to side with Juro on this one. This is the Flyfishing Forum, not the baitcasting, spincasting, boberthrowing, Garden Hackle Forum!

Deerhawk

bluegillbob
05-01-2005, 04:42 PM
Teflon,

No shame in any gear you use. Sometimes I get tired casting the flyrod, and grab the spinning gear.

I've been flyfishing since Jan. and even took some time off from flyrodding. Try 4 months of flyfishing before the spawn!

A flyrodder is no better an angler than someone who uses a Zebco 33 spincast combo; it's just a different way to catch fish. :razz:

juro
05-01-2005, 09:00 PM
Absolutely! Everyone is entitled to fish by any legal means they enjoy. To each his/her own.

But that's a separate topic... we are not talking about people's fishing choices here. We are talking about posting on the Flyfishing Forum and the question is:

What's the point of going onto a flyfishing site and saying "I like to fish gear?"

It's the same as logging onto a hardcore gear site and preaching flyfishing; it's like the old Chinese proverb - 'teaching a pig to sing'.

Fish anyway you like... but this is called "FlyTalk" for a reason.

Dble Haul
05-02-2005, 06:19 PM
People should do what they want to do and what they think is fun.

However, one will never become a better flyfisherman if one bails out to the spin gear every time the wind kicks up or conditions are not "ideal". The hardcore guys I respect the most are the ones who can come up with creative solutions and skill sets to get around nasty weather/water that would keep most guys at home in front of the TV.


Well said, Dave. Very well said.

teflon_jones
05-03-2005, 01:02 PM
Well, yesterday I tried to redeem myself with the flyfishing gods. My wife gave me a couple of hours to go to a local pond. I'm lucky enough (sort of) to have a stocked trout pond right at the end of my street. I say "sort of" because I'm not a big fan of stocked trout, or of fishing for trout on a pond. I'm much more of a stream guy.

I've only fished the pond from shore, but brought the float tube along yesterday. My intention was to explore the pond and see what the shoreline was like. I focused mostly on panfish because I figured that was a fun way to spend a few hours with the 4 wt. and I could go along the shore and be pretty much guaranteed to catch at least a few while checking out the pond. I ended up with about 10 panfish, including a couple over a pound, plus one 12 inch rainbow.

The wind was nasty and casting the full flex 4wt with DT line was no easy task, but it was a lot of fun, and I caught a good number of fish for a relatively deep, infertile pond. I think I may have to do it again some time soon... :D


As for the controversy this thread brought up, I'm very surprised to say the least! This is a thread about fishing in general, and it contains aspects of both fly fishing and spin fishing. I understand this is a fly fishing forum, but I don't think that means other types of fishing should be banned from the pages when discussed in the context of fly fishing.

MCorder
05-03-2005, 04:16 PM
What if someone puts a fly under a bobber and cast with a spinning rod??? :lildevl:

Sorry about that...just something I've seen done... :)

skyomish
05-08-2005, 02:00 PM
Spin phly phishing... MCorder, now you're really exploring the "Dark Side"... Don't say any more about it. It's a secret!!!! What ever you do, don 't try it!!!!