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: Sage reels


Count
04-05-2005, 12:09 PM
Anyone using one of the Sage 3400 or 3500 saltwater reels? Are these reels as well made as their rods?

Thanks in advance.

FLGator
04-05-2005, 06:42 PM
Saw a couple that made a journey bonefishing last year that actually had a little corrosion develop on them (they were washed in fresh at the end of each day). They look cool and have a nice drag. IMHO they are way overpriced and not as good as a Danielsson HD series of reel.
Chris

Youngpatawan
04-07-2005, 09:06 PM
Well, the sage reels were decent when they were made in the U.S. But now that they are made overseas and the prices are the same I am reluctant to give advice on purchasing one. My overall opinion is that they are not a bad reel but for that price and where they are made is another story. If I had to pick a reel for salt water I would recomend the J.Ryal's they are definatley a solid reel with a one of a kind drag system and they do offer them in a large arbor in there "Quick" sereies. Good Luck

Count
04-08-2005, 10:38 AM
Thanks for the help, guys. Appreciate your feedback.

Eddie
04-11-2005, 09:57 AM
I have a few of the Sage "D" series reels, and fished them pretty hard. I have noticed a little corosion where the reel foot and the reel meet. It might become a problem in 20 years or so. I never rinse these reels, so a little TLC might be in order.
They are over priced considering that they are now made in Korea, but I have compared the USA and offshore ones quite closesly and have foung no visible differences. I wish that they were made in the US, but functionally not a big deal. If theses reels cost $375, they would rule the world.
The drag is not quite as smooth as my Abels or Tibors. Not recomended for tarpon.
They are not as durable or pretty either.
So why do I fish them as often as the Abels and Tibors? The spools change quickly. When I am wading and want to travel light, that is important (better to have two Tibors than to be changing spools).
The Sage reels are SEALED. I have checked the internals (special tool required) and after a few seasons of no love and plenty of saltwater dunkings, they are clean and dry. There are only a few other reels that might be as good in that regard.
The drag is indexed and seems accurate. Set the rel to zero, strip off line, and set back to six in a quarter of a turn. That makes life easy. No more pulling line off with drag because you don't want to lose your perfect drag setting.
They are light for there size and have big arbors. When a bone is charging back at you, you will apreciate it. The 3400 is PERFECT on a six weight (or seven). The 3500 is good for a nine or ten.
So the Sage reel is expensive when compared to the higher quality Tibors and Abels. But it is, in a few important ways, a better fishing reel.
I really like them.

Count
04-11-2005, 09:49 PM
Thanks for the information, Eddie!

rankinstein
04-25-2005, 10:47 AM
:) Hello is this a fact that these Sages are made overseas?Just wondering what country( Asia)?China, S. Korea Etc.This sure makes one rethink buying.

Youngpatawan
04-25-2005, 08:41 PM
I believe that they are made in china but not 100% sure. I know that they are made over seas because I work for a fly shop and we stoped carrying them because they are now made over seas. Figures.

Eddie
04-26-2005, 04:49 PM
they are made in S.Korea. From what I can tell, the only difference is the red sticker on the reel foot.
If I had a shop, I would like to think that I would only carry stuff made in the US, but that would exclude a ton of good, well priced gear. I'm not sure if any leader material is produced in the states. The Sage reel isn't the only excellent reel made out of the country. Islander and Hardy come to mind. Unless you only sold Sims GTX, I don't think that any one else makes breathable waders (I think their cheaper ones are made out of country too). Wading boots? Danner might be the only US mfg. What about flys!
It would be cool to have a "Made in America" boutique. Only the best, and most expensive stuff.....
It is too bad to see products that could be produced in the States made abroad, but I guess that's where things are headed. I wouldn't let the Sage reels country of manufacture be a deciding factor. The new ones (made in Korea) are better than the first ones (made in the USA). Water works used to make them. I wonder if Water Works reels are now made in Korea too. Anyone know?

rankinstein
04-26-2005, 06:42 PM
:) Thanks Eddie for that angle .I'd just rather see products made in North America which leads to local jobs that's kind of the bottom line for me.Oh yeah how about those Canadian made Islanders eh !!

Youngpatawan
04-26-2005, 08:55 PM
Eddie,

We carry products made over seas but I was refering to mostly the rods and reel aspects more than anything. I should have been more specific with my post sorry brother. Tight Lines

Count
04-27-2005, 11:05 AM
I decided to pass on the Sage reels. Being made overseas is one thing. But they should have lowered the price accordingly.

Maybe there are some good things being made overseas, fly-fishing-equipment-wise. But I think all the truly great things are still made in the U.S., Tibor reels among them.

Eddie
04-27-2005, 11:55 AM
really, it's a feature/function comparison between the Tibor and Sage. I own and fish with both. Each has it's significant advantages.
The Sage is lighter and less expensive, the spools change easier and are cheaper, the drag is sealed and very easy to adjust quickly and accurately and the arbor is bigger.
The Tibor is beefier, has a smoother drag, has a fancier finish/build (can't get a gold or red or blue Sage. bling bling!:smokin: ). Tibor is a class act. Abels are every bit as good (better in some ways, not as good in others). If you like those kind of reels, you have to consider the Abel too. And the Isalnder, but it's made by foreigners:wink: (unless you're Canadian).
I own and fish all four. Most of my shore fishing is done with the Sages. Most of my boat fishing is done with the others.
I wish that Sage would have lowered their price, but maybe they couldn't and still make some money. Or maybe they looked at the market and thought, "hey, we've got a good reel here. it's worth it." K2 skiis are made in Asia. They are no cheaper, and they are among the best out there. If you want the best, it is always pricey. The vannstall and the loop reels were the only ones that were close, and they have similar price tags. Danielson has shaken things up a bit.

FLGator
04-28-2005, 09:33 AM
Another made in America option is Old Florida. The Nautilus has gotten great reviews and praise from those that have used it. Sealed drag as well. I don't own an OF but have talked with them on several occasions and they were more than responsive to my needs. Sponsor of this site as well.
Chris

Geordie Shanks
04-28-2005, 10:13 AM
I was using a 3400 for the salt a few years ago, but really didn't like how light they were. I know I am being ultra picky, but they did not balance my 9' Scott rod out well and I found myself working a little harder to cast than I am used to. I switched to a Bauer M4 (now the MX4) and have been extremely happy with this reel. It is basically bombproof and the drag is sealed a lot tighter. I usually ended up with a lot of sand and grit in the Sage, and the Bauer has not had that problem. I have generally not been happy with my Sage reels-I have bought or been given three of them, and every one of them has had something about it that I haven't liked. Still outperform any Orvis reel. Good looking reels though. I also had a little bit of corrosion on the 3400, like some of the other posts. Good luck.

jamie
04-28-2005, 10:33 AM
Have a few sage few sage reels including the 3300D and the 3400D, I have never felt confident enough to use them in the salt and prefer to keep it on my heavier river outfits. I thought they were still made by Waterworks and did not know they had moved production to south east Asia. I did buy them a few years ago, so perhaps these are still ‘Made in the USA’

Lamson/Waterworks reels have worked well for me over a periods of time. Although I know a few have reservations about them.

I cannot speak highly enough about Old Florida’s Nautilus though. A very good reel and you get excellent customer service from Old Florida.

Still fancy a nice Tibor though.

Eddie
04-28-2005, 12:21 PM
Gordie,
How did you know that water got through the seal, and how did you fix it? Did you have to lube the o-ring?

tbeez41
04-29-2005, 01:33 AM
the sage d series reels have four graphite disks in that sealed cone. what that allows sage to do is create the same total surface area of one disk equalling the entire reel. they are probably in my opnion second on the list of stopping power of reels right behind the ross big game.

as for tibor.... good reels, pain in the ass to switch from right to left hand retrieve :mad: