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: Which lines??

02-06-2005, 03:52 PM
I have just bought my first salmon rod after a few years fishing wuth a single hand rod. I have bought a greys greyflex 13 ft 8/9 and was wondering 2 things.

Which lines would be good for someone who is an able caster but is a novice spey caster?

I was thinking about buying a multi tip line and was wondering peoples views and opinions on the lines available.

All the best Richard

Gary W
02-07-2005, 03:42 AM
If you want to make things easier for yourself, get a short belly spey line like the Rio Windcutter or Scientific Anglers Mastery Short Head Spey.

However, I would say that you should probably start with a double taper line to better understand the mechanics of the spey cast.

I started with double taper lines and later moved onto the spey lines. I used short head spey lines at first, but found these very limiting. They also have the other disadvantage, they are as thick as rope and don't lend themselves to delicate presentation.

If you are looking to fish the KAC water with the rod, I think that a double taper may be your best bet anyway. These offer more flexibility on smaller rivers. If you get the casting nailed with a double taper then the longer bellied spey lines would be a good progression.

If you are struggling to get double taper lines, a certain shop in Penrith sells a range of their own called Deluxe lines for £15.95 each. I can't say the name of the shop because they are not a sponsor, but I'm sure you know who I mean. I bought a DT9 line from them last year, to try on an old rod. It was every bit as good as lines three times the price. I also buy their lines in various sizes to splice into spey lines and have had no problems with them so far.

Hope this helps,
Good luck with the casting.

G Ritchie
02-07-2005, 04:32 AM
The Greyflex is rated #9 not #8-9. If you go with the DT line I would use a #10 to start with as the rod has a fairly fast, stiff action and the heavier line will help you to feel the rod loading.

02-07-2005, 05:29 AM
I would opt away from manufacturers tip lines.

In my very recent experience the connector loops for the tips tend to get snagged on the rod eyes when playing a fish at short distance. This is due to the over exaggerated size of the loops connectors used by the various line companies.

My normal approach to using sink tips is to buy a mill end DT trout line(sinking), to match the taper of your salmon line, cut them up at various lengths, put braided loops at the ends and use as required. This gives you far more options than the manufacturer’s tips and reduces the chance of your connectors being caught up on your rod eyes.

With regards to a line to suit this method, I would use one with a fairly thick front taper. i.e. a Mastery xlt or a rio accelerator if you can get a hold of one.


Willie Gunn
02-07-2005, 06:07 AM
I would opt away from manufacturers tip lines.

With regards to a line to suit this method, I would use one with a fairly thick front taper. i.e. a Mastery xlt or a rio accelerator if you can get a hold of one.


The presentation of a brick. I think the XLT would need cut back to turn anything over.

I tend to agree with all that has been written before excepting the above.
Get some casting lessons from a long bellied caster not someone who teaches with a windcutter or Loop line once you have learnt to Speycast you can start messing with specialist lines.

If you want depth you should buy a sinker or two of various sink rates tips are terrible things to cast and fish with.

02-07-2005, 06:52 AM
The rod is actually rated 9/10 not 8/9 as i said earlier, it is one of the original rods.
Am i better going for a D/ T 10 or 9 .

Thanks Richard

02-07-2005, 01:19 PM

I have also just purchased a Greyflex 13ft 9/10 but I have yet to cast a line with it.

The rod feels quite stiff so you would probably be best following G Ritchies advice and go for a slightly heavier line.

I would be wary of getting a short headed spey line as you may find the head is a little too short. Try and have a cast with one first before you splash out a fair chunk of money. I am no expert caster but I find a Rio Mid Spey has just about the ideal length head for myself. Yesterday I was using a Hardy Spey sinking line and found the head was far too short for my liking.

02-07-2005, 01:47 PM
I think i am going to try the snowbee 2D lines as i am really wanting to learn to speycast and they seem to be getting good reviews and they are not to expensive on ebay!!

Richar :) d

G Ritchie
02-07-2005, 01:54 PM
If you go for the Snowbee line try the 10/11. The tip of the Snowbee line is very fine so if you want to use it with sinking tips or large flies, try cutting a few feet off the tip. It will work fine out of the box for full floating line applications with small flies.

02-07-2005, 02:48 PM
Graham, Thanks i will get the size up. I am also thinking about the sink tip in this line.In your opinion would i need the size up in the sink tip as well??

Willie Gunn
02-07-2005, 02:54 PM
I would not bother with the Snobee sinktip the one I saw barely sunk, you would be as well putting a poly leader on the floater.

Gary W
02-07-2005, 03:25 PM
I hate to cloud the issue but, with spey profile lines, I would be wary of going a line size up. For most spey lines in medium to long heads I often find that a rod performs better by going a size down. However, as I have not tried the Grey's rod with the Snowbee lines I cannot comment on that particular set up.

A lot of spey lines, when you weigh them are too heavy for the rods for which they are designed. There has been a lot of discussion on this forum about this subject. Here is one example that shows the new Spey Line Standards from the states - http://flyfishingforum.com/flytalk/index.htm

02-10-2005, 07:33 AM
As for choosing the correct wt. line for your Rod I don't think I can help. I have no experience with the greys greyflex rods. But you will not be making a mistake with the snowbee lines. They are fantastic smooth casting lines. If you have not cast a double-handed rod yet, you should probably stick with a flouting line until you become proficient and then worry about tips.

Just my $.02, Charlie