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: 2005 Season opens in Scotland


Willie Gunn
01-11-2005, 08:16 AM
The 2005 salmon season has opened in Scotland. Not all rivers open on the same day, today the 11th Jan the Helmsdale and the Thurso have started. Today’s forecast is poor with gales and driving rain but I know the Helmsdale will be busy, Every year the estates allow free fishing on the opening two days.
I am giving today a miss and saving myself for Saturday when the Ness system opens, along with the Tay. Next month I have organised fishing on the opening day of the Dee (1st Feb) and the Spey (11th Feb). I hope to get up to date reports.

Muckle Salmon
01-11-2005, 11:13 AM
It is almost 5 months until our salmon season opens over here in the land of snow and ice :( and you have the nerve to post stuff like this! You are an evil,evil man Willie Gunn.

Willie Gunn
01-11-2005, 11:18 AM
Gordon Armstrong is out fishing to-day but he is young and keen. I hope he will report his lack of sucess later this evening. We are both fishing Saturday, you still have time to get over for another chance of a Ness system fish. You know you are welcome

Muckle Salmon
01-11-2005, 09:08 PM
Thanks Willie. Thought I might take you up on the invitation so told the wife I was going fishing on Sat.. She said "thats nice but I thought there wasn't anywhere to fish just now. Where are you going?"
I said Scotland. Then I ran like hell :lildevl:
Good luck on Saturday

Ramsay

fishingd0
01-12-2005, 09:28 AM
Managed to make the opening day to the River Helmsdale yesterday.

The day before my local river (River Ness) was bursting its banks. However, with a phone call the the local fishing tackle shop in Helmsdale, I was assured that water conditions would be in good order. I found this hard to belive, in that only live an hours drive away.

Anyway, On arrival, I was proved wrong, with the water dropping at 2.5ft,clear and with very little wind. Almost perfect!

One of the local pipe bands, piped what appeared to be 50-70 anglers to the rivers edge, to start the new season. I felt this was a really good touch to the opening day cereremony.

Apart from a few kelts (well mended), things were quiet and there was no sign of that elusive January springer. However, It was good crack to meet up with a few freinds and wet a line after a long and wet winter!

As Malcolm said, its the upper Ness system opening day on Satuarday. Having phones the factor of the river today things don't look good. fingers crossed! :wink:

Gordon

p.s

The light wind in the morning on the Helmsdale, was like a child with a box of chocolates and didn't know when to stop. By the evening, winds of over 100mph were recorded. A possible opportunity for long distance dapping? :chuckle:

I will try and get some photos of the opening day!

McIntyre
01-12-2005, 10:08 AM
It's still a long time until the rivers in Norway opens, but it's allways fun to read reports from other rivers in other countries. I usually check the sites of fishscotland (spey, dee, tay, tweed and the esks) a few times a week, but is there any other sites on the internet which gives good reports from the other rivers?
Well, I check back here on monday to see Willie Gunn's report from River Ness, remember to take pictures of the springers before you release them :wink:

fcch
01-12-2005, 01:51 PM
Willie,

Lucky you. I had to shovel the snow off the garage door yesterday night to get to some materials. Still over 5 months before we get to opening day here. (hence the thread Dream Pool :( )

Keep us posted on your 'success'. Keeps us dreaming over the long winter months.

fishingd0
01-12-2005, 02:40 PM
Seems I was in the wrong place at the wrong time yestersay.

I have just found out that there was after all a springer caught . It was caught at 1.30pm on beat 2 (below) by Robert MacKay of Helmsdale on a "WILLIE GUNN". The fish was 5lb and sea liced!

Things are looking up!

Willie Gunn
01-12-2005, 04:51 PM
http://www.helmsdale.org/News/January%202004/P-Bandx.jpg

http://www.helmsdale.org/News/January%202004/Rob-1st-fish-2.jpg

Gordon sent me these to pictures, catch & release has not really caught on in Helmsdale

flytyer
01-12-2005, 09:17 PM
Malcolm,

When you go out Saturday are you going to perchance use the 16' Meiser so it can have a proper Chistening?

juro
01-12-2005, 09:23 PM
It's reassuring and inspiring to witness the rich lore of salmon angling alive and well in the 21st century! Malcom, et. al. - I am definitely going to come visit, every spey fisher must at least once in his lifetime.

Thanks and please keep the reports coming!

andre
01-12-2005, 09:37 PM
Malcolm, It does look like a few whiskys were released!!

Willie Gunn
01-13-2005, 04:34 AM
Juro, you are very welcome, though I'm not sure if I can get a pipe band, even Madona, only got a lone piper when she came up for her wedding.

I will have the Meiser out on Saturday, when fishing with Gordon I need all I can to get an edge. The Meiser is an excelent kelt cather, but it would be great to get a new model on it.

Andre, if tradition was followed some whisky was gently sprinked into the river to bring goodluck, I'm not sure what is used on the Helmsdale but on the Spey we use a 10 year old Glenfarclas. Rumour has it that some of the older gillies will only drink water from the river as it will always have a wee drop of critter in it.

Gaspe Salmon
01-13-2005, 08:24 AM
Dear Willie,

I really enjoyed the pic of the bagpipes. I wish we had those sorts of traditions here. I can just imagine the feeling of hearing them march down the first anglers of the season towards the river. Wonder if the salmon get spooked! ha ha...

Will make my pilgimage there one day.

Last little note. My father, who used to work quite a bit in Churnside, told me of a poem that he read in a bar, it was a conversation between two rivers the Tweed and the Til, if I am not mistaken. Do you know this short poem where the rivers are speaking to one another? If so, do you know how it goes, and if you do, could you send me a copy via email or post it. I always got a kick out of hearing it with the brogue my father used.

If you know of it, please tell me.

Kind regards to you and best of luck to all of you who are now fishing!

David

Robert Meiser
01-13-2005, 11:32 AM
Hi Malcolm,

Good Salmon season to you.... I hope that you beach an ocean bright fish on the weekend.

My wife's family still lives in Ireland, and she's been planning a stay this late Summer during her teaching break.

I dream of fishing Scotland...

Would also love to try Loch dapping if Andy would have room in the skiff.

I think that this could be the year that it will really happen....};^)...!!!

Meiz

Willie Gunn
01-13-2005, 12:17 PM
Meiz,
Just let me know which week and I'll find some fishing on the Spey, give me plenty of warning, the Spey is booking up quickly.
I have spent the afternoon trying to find three days top fishing for a continental gentleman and his wife. His wife doesn't fish but wants a 5 ***** hotel, the husband wants to be able to walk back to the hotel to see his wife.
My options appear to be, a) move the Spey or b) build a new hotel.
He appears to consider the hotel is as important as the fishing, young second wife I guess.

Robert Meiser
01-13-2005, 12:51 PM
Hi Malcolm,

Will do.....And thanks for the offer my friend !!!

...Now I think the "Hardy Girl" would adjust one's priorities in that regards....};^) !!!

Meiz

Gardener
01-13-2005, 05:20 PM
Send him to the Tay, Malcolm - Kinnaird should fit the bill. Or maybe Inverlochy?

Salar-1
01-13-2005, 07:26 PM
Malcolm
Great news!! Rub it in in :frown: Nice to hear that SOMEONE is fishing somewher in the World for salmon !
Cheers

Muckle Salmon
01-13-2005, 09:24 PM
I know the Helmsdale will be busy, Every year the estates allow free fishing on the opening two days.
.

Gordon, It is nice to see that someone is holding up the reputation of the Scots. :wink:

sluggan
01-14-2005, 06:06 AM
[Hello David,
I am quite happy to add the wanted poem (as a german...)

Says Tweed to Till
"What gars ye rin sae still?"
Says Till to Tweed
"Although ye rin wi´speed,
And I rin slaw,
for ae man that ye droon
I droon twa!"

I have heard it when I fished Tillmouth Park on the Tweed a few years ago.
Luckily enough there was no competition between the Rivers that time, so the conditions and the catches were fine, and everybody from our party escaped unharmed....

Found the poem in Ashley-Coopers " The Great Salmon Rivers of Scotland"

Best regards from Germany (where in general nearly no salmon fishing is in sight)

Martin
QUOTE=Gaspe Salmon]Dear Willie,

I really enjoyed the pic of the bagpipes. I wish we had those sorts of traditions here. I can just imagine the feeling of hearing them march down the first anglers of the season towards the river. Wonder if the salmon get spooked! ha ha...

Will make my pilgimage there one day.

Last little note. My father, who used to work quite a bit in Churnside, told me of a poem that he read in a bar, it was a conversation between two rivers the Tweed and the Til, if I am not mistaken. Do you know this short poem where the rivers are speaking to one another? If so, do you know how it goes, and if you do, could you send me a copy via email or post it. I always got a kick out of hearing it with the brogue my father used.

If you know of it, please tell me.

Kind regards to you and best of luck to all of you who are now fishing!

David[/QUOTE]

juro
01-14-2005, 06:42 AM
Thanks for that sluggan, one can't recite that without feeling the blood of Scottish anglers in their veins. Now can someone please translate :tongue:

(Welcome to the forum, sluggan)

Willie Gunn
01-14-2005, 07:03 AM
Says Tweed to Till
"What gars ye rin sae still?"
Says Till to Tweed
"Although ye rin wi´speed,
And I rin slaw,
for ae man that ye droon
I droon twa!"

Says Tweed to Till
What makes you run so slow.

Says Till to Tweed
Although you run with speed and I run slow

For every man you drown I drown two

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Gaspe Salmon
01-14-2005, 07:58 AM
Dear Sluggan and Wille Gunn,

I thank you for posting that poem!

I have always gotten a great feeling every time I heard it, probably something to do with a great childhood memory of when my Dad came home from a business trip from Scotland when I was a wee lad. Cannot be sure, but I think it also has something to do with the fact that he was showing me some prawn and shrimp type flies that he had picked up there while reciting. A bit of impregnating of salmon lore at a very young age.

One day I will see exactly how fast they each flow.

Best to you both


David

sluggan
01-14-2005, 12:50 PM
Hello David,

please do not expect too much stream of both rivers.
You cannot compare them with the highland rivers like the Spey or Dee.
But a few words to the poem.
A friend of mine who lives in Coldstream( and is born there, so he should know)
told me that the Till is more "dangerous" than the Tweed because of his in some parts muddy grounds(sticking wellies?) and the much quicker rising water.
He also said that this reputation is from an age when most of the English and
Scottish people were simply not able to swim....

Anyway, the fishing during the last years was fantastic,.... if not flooded off.

TL,
Martin

Willie Gunn
01-16-2005, 07:03 AM
Gordon Armstrong, Graham Ritchie and myself had opening day on the Moriston yesterday. Although we tried hard through the driving rain no fresh fish were taken. Apparently we were on the wrong river, fine 8lb fish was caught and returned on the Oich. The Oich is the next river up on the Ness system, the fish was sea liced so was obviously pushing on.

The question always is "Is it a fresh fish or just a kelt?
The silver in the net raises hopes which are soon dashed.......just another kelt.
Some people just will not give up even when it is getting dark.

Andy Wren
01-23-2005, 05:36 AM
Meis , dont think i will bring a dapping rod ,the reel and the line will come along with some loch ordies sedgehogs, golden olive bumbles et all ,.as I am sure we can find a suitable rod .
surfing through another forum saw mention of "emigrant lake " might be a possible venue ?????

fishingd0
01-26-2005, 06:13 PM
The first fish was taken off the river Moriston on monday. It was estimated to be 10lb and was tide fresh.

Credit must go to Gordon Kerr as he is the first person on record to release an opening fish off the Moriston.

Gordon

Big K1
01-27-2005, 02:42 AM
Way to go Gordon!!!

Robert Meiser
01-28-2005, 11:11 AM
Hi Andy,

If you'll be coming in Mid-Summer <> July/August you will find the best fishing to be on our Rivers for Summer run Steelhead on the North Umpqua, Rogue, and a few smaller rivers best left un-said...};^)...!!!

The North Umpqua will produce the occasional 20 pound Summer fish, but most from 9 to 12 pounds....With these in good numbers.

The Rogue's fish will be a tad smaller <> 5 to 11 pounds, with most in the 6 to 8 pound range. Fish to the beach numbers on the Rogue can be very good, ofgten exceeding 10 fish days.

Smaller two handers are the ticket, with 11.5' to 13' in 6/7/8 wts working spot on.

All manner of line systems and various techniques will work, most determined by water temp, flows, and clarity.

I perfer a dry line/greaseline swing with sparce patterns and heavy iron....Or fine wire and thin water swinging: Silver Hiltons, Skunks, and especially long shank Soft Hackles.

.....No doubt the sink tip or weighted fly boys will get more fish though !!!!

As far as our lakes go in Mid-Summer ?

The high country lakes would be the best bet.....But better yet, and far more exciting would be the waters of the Klamath Basin just over the hill from the Rogue Valley.

This is High Desert country ~ Spring Creek fed lakes and streams with extremely fertile waters.

Actually quite tricky to fish correctly, but we can put you in the right boat no worries.

I'll mail you a few pics of this country if you wish.

Meiz

Robert Meiser
01-28-2005, 11:41 AM
Malcolm,

Just a note to let you know that I did receive the Willie Gunn's in the post today.

...And the Glen Deveron....Thanks much for that .....};^)....!!!!

Also have the first generation 18 footer 11/12 blank in hand today as well.....Your postal boys will have a bugger of a time trying to stuff her in your mail box !

....She actually turned out to be a 5 pc rod, and it will take a few weeks to field test her for a bit to see if she will comfortably aerialize full grainage.

I am only a moderate long belly caster, so we'll send it North up to Aaron Reimer's crew for evaluation.

Meiz

Willie Gunn
01-28-2005, 12:39 PM
Tell them to take great care.
Give those Willie Gunns a swim they are fishing flies, not pretty but for catching

Big K1
01-28-2005, 12:51 PM
"I am only a moderate long belly caster, so we'll send it North up to Aaron Reimer's crew for evaluation."

Cool Meiz I look forward to giving the big stick a swing.

flytyer
01-28-2005, 05:25 PM
Meiz,

As you know, I am rather excited about getting the chance to give it a go since I've been talking to you about making one for a few years.

Malcolm,

Now you will have your proper salmon rod instead of a mere grilse rod.

Willie Gunn
01-28-2005, 05:31 PM
Meiz,
Make sure that you know exactly where all these people live and take their passports before you let that rod out of your sight. Could you make them all wear gloves so they do not leave dirty sweaty finger marks on the cork.

Flytyer, You may try but please take care, this salmon rod is needed in Scotland.

Robert Meiser
01-28-2005, 05:35 PM
No worries Malcolm,

This is generation "one" of the 18' so it will really need to be beat-up a bit, and the boys at Aaron's <> Kevin, Brian, Russ, and Mike are just the ones to do it.

There is no way I could design this rod without their feedback and critique.

It will be a trial and error process...My guess is she will take 2 or 3 taper attempts.

In her early development, I'd rather have her stall or blow in their hands then in yours on the Spey my friend.

The Willie Gunns will get wet on the Lower Smith with the next good freshet.....Hopefully for catching as well as swimming.....};^)...!!!

Meiz

flytyer
01-28-2005, 05:55 PM
Malcolm,

I haven't yet bown up a rod, but there is always the first time. :eek:

Robert Meiser
01-28-2005, 06:24 PM
Hey Russ,

I've blown lots of rods in their early stages....Thats why I send them up to you guys AFTER I'm done.

But I'll send goggles too....};^)....!!!!

....In all honesty, from the wiggle.... I'd say that the early 18 may need to be toned down a bit to meet the window.

I know of no one that demands to chase a more agressive mouse....So have at her !!!

I think it's been 5 years?

Meiz

Big K1
01-28-2005, 08:05 PM
Malcom,

I will try not to spill the Glen Deveron on the big stick! :lildevl:

flytyer
01-28-2005, 09:07 PM
Meiz,

I wasn't going to mention how many years I've been chasing you for the big stick. I'm just delighted that it is happening.

Me chasing an agressive mouse? Nah, I just want to cast 1300 gr long bellies out to and beyond 100' on the Skagit on the larger, wider runs and tailouts with a long rod that won't wimp out. So if you think this one may need to be toned down a bit, so much the better because that way I won't have to worry about it blowing up from being pushed too far. :D

If I blow the big stick up, Malcolm will be putting a contract out for me with some big, hairy dude named Guido with Sicilian connections.