: Another plane
01-02-2005, 10:02 AM
I`ve always heard casting discussions on the vertical plane , but never on the horizontal . I been thinking about my casting stroke and have come to the conclussion that it is at least as important. As I learned from Juro when we had a chance to do some casting with his two handers, my stroke has been greatly influenced by what we used to call rollcasting but I`ve been informed it is spey casting. Anyway, while everyone talks about the 10 to 2 plane and tight loop control, I`ve developed more of a horizontal leaning to eliminate wind problems and the line crashing into itself. A water haul followed by a sidearm backcast with a strong forward haul allows me to attain 100` cast with no more than 3 false cast, the wind knots that plague others are nonexistant and I can change direction in a blink. If you were to see a pic of the horizontal plane it would resemble a large figure 8. I contend that someone who only considers the vertical is only using half the options available.
01-02-2005, 11:47 AM
Side arm casting (I call it sling casting) on or near the horizontal plane is a MUST cast to learn and become proficient at. Here are some of the uses that I have for it:
- when two or more people are fishing from a boat in windy conditions
- casting to reposition the fly quickly
- casting "under" the wind
- casting "under" the shore obstacles, overhangs etc.
- casting "left or right lies" this is an alternative to mend and/or reach casts, very usefull on smaller streams and with long leaders. Think of the figure 8 action on the line and you can see that the fly can land either to the right or left of the fly line. All you do is flick your wrist R or L at the end of the last fwd stroke.
I don't have enough SW experience to comment about using this on a beach situation but I know I used these casts last time I was out there, from a boat and from shore.
Others can chime in...
01-02-2005, 11:55 AM
The dynamic roll cast Steve knows is in fact a switch cast in the Spey vernacular. In this case the line is not fully extended but left in a d-loop shape, using the grip of water's surface to provide tension against the forward cast. It differs from the roll cast in that all but the end of the line touches the water and the loop is pronounced with most of it behind the caster instead of out in front. Since this cast preceded it's new world discovery by hundreds of years, it's a switch cast with all due respect to the Rhody Flyrodders. :lildevl:
When the water is used to anchor the end of the line during a change of direction the cast is known as a "single spey".
When the line is not allowed to touch the water, not left folded but extended fully into a backcast then it's often called a belgian cast by west coast us casters but once again this cast has been known as the Devon Switch and is impeccably described in Simon Gawesworth's new book, Spey Casting (chapter 13).
But the most important thing is what Pete explained - how they apply to real life fishing situations.
01-02-2005, 03:22 PM
I`d just like to give a little history here. In the 1800`s Rhoddy and all the northeast was saturated with an influx of Canucks who brought with them thier oun styles. These were not nobles who owned salmon rivers, they were peasant mill workers who fished to put food on the table for thier families and to earn a small pitance for what was left to sell. Up until a few years ago a substantial number of them still fished the way they had learned from thier fathers and grandfathers. They had no concept of spey or other cast, this was just the way it had always been. They fished stillwaters, with 9 ft. buggywhip rods and they used 9 wt. lines. they had no concept of catch and release. All they knew was this was the most efficient way to harvest a crop of fish, because to them that is exactly what it was , a crop put there my mother nature for thier use. They sold every fish they didn`t eat and they were the best dam trout fishermen who ever lived.
Modern times and an enlightened attitude have all but put an end to them, but the style they fished is still parctised, especialy on the Rhoddy ponds. It is sheer poetry in motion to see a man cast a whole double taper plus a 15 ft leader and be able to drop it on the nose of any trout that is foolhardy enough to rise within range. Any place where they could get 10 ft of room behind them was plenty.
This is the era I learned in and I consider it a privelege to have known some of the best.
01-02-2005, 03:44 PM
Sorry, I was interupted by some little mot%^$*Yer smashing the planter in front of my house, the downside of modern times. Anyways, I disagree with Juro`s discription of our cast in the area of the line traveling behind us. We only need a small amount of room behind us to cast a whole line. Spey, switch, roll, I don`t know, I`m no technician. The cast starts with the tip pointed at the fly, a strong haul and power stroke lifts the whole line out of the water. The loop in the back is pronounced but not large. Just as the line kisses the surface, in time with the loop forming, the whole thing is driven forward and another haul causes line to shoot out, a pop of the wrist at the force fades is enough to turn the whole leader over. One thing for sure this cast is very timing critical and takes a while to master, any timing error and the whole thing flops.
01-02-2005, 04:04 PM
Son of a gun JF I think that it exactly!! Now I know why my line looks like a slinky after a half hour.
01-02-2005, 04:09 PM
Steve, do you have a relable source for that information that you posted about the 1800's???? Since I am writing a history on the Saltwater flies...I need to know where you got that information and if they were involved in Saltwater fly rodding. I can check with Armand Courchaine , Art Burton and Ken Abrames . who are contributiing to the book and has a lot of information on the Rhoddy scene back in the 1950's...but I want to find out about this 1800's material..thanks.
Slinger, that's a fascinating account of just the type of hardcore anglers I'd like to hang out with, that is if I could make the cut!
I would love to work with you on a historical account of this era, it would make a fantastic article for our chronicles section and one that could really tell the tale of the day.
What do you say?
Striblue is always a minute ahead! Must be the lack of waders ;)
01-02-2005, 04:55 PM
John, there is a man named Jean Dufault that is the "King of Rochambeau" he`s probably 80 now and still fishes every day on his little Honda motor scooter. The guy is a legend and I have fished with him many times. I`ll see if I can set somthing up, a few years ago someone even did a video of him casting with commentary. Just a little background, his rod is a Lami 290 blank that hasn`t been made in 30 yrs., his waders have been patched so many times you can`t tell where the canvas begins and the patchs end, and they`re held up by rope. He disdanes the use of fancy leader material and opts for a 100 yd. spool of nylon sewing thread for 2dollars, Oh he thinks anyone under 60 is a dumb kid. I`m sure Art must have some stories, I can`t imagine he wouldn`t know him.
There`s no secret about how these people came here, it`s all in the history books and at the museum of Work + Culture in Woon., a part of the Blackstone Valley Historic Corridor. Thier sires were French market fishermen who immigrated to Canada and with the industrial revolution moved to New England for the jobs in the textile industry, and they brought with them thier traditions of Trout fishing for market. As I recall they used to spin tales of fishing with Harold Gibbs and of meeting Ted Williams at Harolds Meadow on the Palmer.
01-02-2005, 07:24 PM
If you cast using "Lefty's method" you use a side arm cast for distance - allows more rod travel than a vertical plane will. I can cast both ways but generally prefer a more vertical plane and a shorter stroke. In windly conditions a longer stroke and sidearm cast seems to work best
01-02-2005, 08:12 PM
I think JF hit it right on the head with that link he put up. I know this, it`s fairly effortless, provides great distance and works great in a wind but as the link says it does cause kinks after awhile. Juro, if they have the casting pool up at Marlboro, I`d love to get you to analyse my stroke and get your comments.
01-02-2005, 08:57 PM
:biggrin: Slinger, the other issue with the cast other than the somewhat annoying line twist is the semi-conscious unweighting of the casters left foot which leads to a bending at the knee on the strip retrieve when an Albie strikes. If the angler, upon clearing line to the Albie happens to step on a small rock with the left foot, his body weight tends to shift causing a temporary submergence of the angler in the salt. Usually, after some time with the anglerís left side in the water, the buoyancy provided by the stripping basket will counter this effect and help the angler recover to the upright position just prior to his waders filling to land the Albie. :biggrin:
01-02-2005, 09:49 PM
But here`s the important part, soaking wet and with the handle off the reel he palmed that fish all the way in and land it he did !!! I would pay good money for pics of that one!