: Ridiculous Clave... Head Count!
12-20-2004, 09:56 AM
OK. We've narrowed our search down to two locations in the southern Bahamas.
Long Island---Deadams Cay 4/12---4/19
Crooked--Acklins Island ??????????
Airfare to Great Exuma is currently about $450.00 per person RT with Taxes from PVD. A hired air charter for nine passengers from Georgetown, Exuma will run $90.00 RT and is a very short flight. A car will run us $50.00 a day divided by the group. Lodging stands at around $225.OO PP for the week. Check out previous posts with details on the Turnbull House on Long Island. So, we are at around $800 per person before we add food, drink and options for guiding.
It's time for a headcount again on who wants to go, regardless of destination.
Akclins Crooked Island Adventure-- Somewhat primative. Juro will post soon on this.
Deadmans Cay Long Island --------- Very civilized w/ all the amenities.
Please reserve your reply to this thread to head counts only. We need info from Juro
on Acklins Crookeds before we comment on that destination.
12-20-2004, 10:43 AM
Big applause to Phil and Juro for all the leg work on this venture.
I am having a hard time putting all the pieces together the way you are describing them.
Let's start with the totals and divide as we get headcount rather than get headcount first. Initial Flight to GGT (Georgetown Exuma) varies based on origin so we can figure that ourselves, estimate $500.
Charter flight total cost:
Please provide carrier information / quote for the plane options (6 seater, 9 seater etc) including landing fees etc.
4 passengers per vehicle w/ gear = 2 vehicles vs 1?
Lodging cost in total:
We can divide later when we know how many people.
I think we can safely estimate $100 per person for food where there is a kitchen and 6 lobster per person per day limit and maybe a grouper or snapper or two (license required to retain lobster / fish)
Gas is a factor - Long Island is 80 miles long and if we can't DIY effectively near Deadman's then there will be a long drive to start the day at Stella Maris (I will not be fishing with a guide). Maybe we should include additional pricing for lodging options on the north end, up to you. Boat rental is another way to go.
I will do same for the Acklins / Crooked estimates.
12-20-2004, 01:29 PM
Good point Juro. Bob did not mention the name of the company that flys us to Long Island from Georgetown although he says they are safe and very reliable. He must know. He uses them himself. A 5 passenger plane is $275 and the nine passenger plane is $390. These quotes are for one way travel. He did not mention landing fees. I will check. Also will check on max. capacity on the cars or if we can get a van.
The Turnbull house is $2000 for the week.
This is the reason I am asking for the headcount now. We will have a better idea of expenses when that count is firm. If we rent a boat there should be no guiding or should I say poling of said boat. This will only infuriate any of the guides in the Bahamas as they are the only ones allowed to guide there.
No need to go North of Deadmans Cay. Bob has assured me there are plenty of spots to explore to the south. You don't see them from space but they are there.
Steve Vletas has also confirmed this fact. We can take a ride up to Cape Santa Maria
if need be for the spouse trip as a dual purpose venture.
12-20-2004, 01:50 PM
More than likely I will be in no matter which place is chosen...
Long Island April dates look good right now...
I contacted my travel agent to see what flight prices are like to both places...
Of course for me the prices would be from BOS but I will try to find out from
other areas too....
If there is anything I can help with...research etc...please let me know...I am willing to help.
12-20-2004, 02:23 PM
Thanks Frank. Great to have you aboard along with Fred A! Plug away on the internet and find whatever you can from other DIY fisherman. That would be a great help. Here is some valuable info from Steve Vletas, author of Bahamas Flyfishing Guide. Here is what he had to say about Long Island in a PM to me:
Lot's of people write to us about fishing on their own, but usually they are not serious or interested in fishing and exploring on their own. They just want us to tell them everything, including all tide nuances. This defeats the purpose of fishing on your own, exploring on your own. If that's what they want, hire guides! If you really want to fish and explore on your own, south Long Island, meaning south of Deadman's cay all the way to the end of the island, is the best remote fishing you can access without a boat anywhere in the Bahamas.
Better be prepared for unforseen glitches in car rentals, fuel, resturants that are open and finding groceries. Ther are only a few lodging choices. Also be aware that mosquitoes are an every day presence and worse after rain. A wonderful place to explore if you are patient and can deal with the above. Also, very few roads, if you can find them leading to productive flats. Bushwacking is a neccessity. The Crookeds are a different story as it is more heavily populated, but not by far. Services are better there.
More on the Acklins: Crooked from Juro. Let's keep this count going!
12-20-2004, 03:09 PM
It's cold outside!!!! Stayed home from work today. Called out! All those interested in this trip. Please check out this site. I saw a huge flat inside the elbow of southern Long Island. Very remote. The iMac I am using does not allow me to cut and paste so you'll have to do this on your own. And we thought South Beach was a hual!
Click on 'FIND PHOTOS' You will view a clickable map of the world.
Click then on the quadrant of the Bahamas. It's there! Just look for the blue speck. You may have to type in Long Island at some point. There is a great shot of L.I. and Crooked/Akclins in one photo. I feel warmer now just looking at this site as I'm sure you will too!
12-21-2004, 08:12 PM
Juro. I sent you a PM. Hope it went through.
Just read thru the pile... nothin in the inbox from you. try again maybe?
Still not absolutely confirmed (plans not established with my wife) but still count on me and Larry. Will try to firm up asap.
Thanks Bill! Of course it would be fantastic to have you attend.
The Crooked Island / Acklins (day trips) plan does not rely on any more than two people to get the airfare/lodging price, in other words no charters or group cottages needed. The only caveat is the rental car rate which would require 4 people to lower to $15 per day, other than that the rooms are two per / and the flights individual.
Research indicates that there is no need for a boat or guide and competition should be nearly non-existent with unadulterated angling bountiful. The vast majority of bones on these remote out-islands have never seen a fly, and tarpon / permit are also around. I will be bringing the Atlantis for the eastern beaches to see if I can banger'up some big dinner.
I am hoping we can get into a rhythm of lobster and grouper dinners as well, I am happy spending half the day bonefishing and half the day 'picking crawfish' in paradise. Fresh grouper fillet and carribean lobster tails are among my favorites, and I hear Hylena (host of Casuarina Cottages) bakes the best pies on the island.
It's a trade off between more amenities and limited DIY availability and less amenities and what appears by all accounts to be boundless DIY opportunity.
Compared to camping these cottages seem lavish; and the setting is heads and shoulders above what I stay in on most of my fishing trips which I already enjoy thoroughly. Of al the things I worry about the accomodations seem quite adequate, and the promise of ridiculousness is hard to resist.
12-22-2004, 07:45 AM
Juro. Please email me off Forum at firstname.lastname@example.org. I can't get the PM to work. Went to the buddy list to try to PM you. I don't know how else to do it and I have important info to share with the group with your OK. I'm headed to work. back around 6:30PM.
12-22-2004, 07:43 PM
Again, I'm in regardless of the final decision. Juro, I agree with your last comments and think that fishable flats and plentiful hungry bones should be the primary basis for our decision. Two points I'd like to raise.....
1. The imprtance of flexibility in our costs. Juro you mentioned this in your last post. I like the idea of having individual or double room costs (flights as well). The possibility of cancellations always looms. Though nobody's fault, we all have lives and families and things come up - emergencies, unforseen obligations etc. By lodging in double or single occupancy rooms and avoiding charter flights we can ensure that the trip survives with no increase in costs to the people going even if people have to drop out.
2. Square mileage of flats. We're going to need alot of DIY ground. I think everyone interested in this trip has seen the way one tear @$% spooked bone can ruin hundreds of square yards of feeding fish by streaking across a flat. We're a helluva good group of fishermen :smokin: but there will be spooked fish and with ten guys out on those flats we're going to need room.
Well, that's my .02, I can't wait for this to happen and to fish with all you guys. :biggrin: