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: Mustard 34007 hook alternatives


fishstu
12-14-2004, 10:45 AM
I am looking to tie a number of saltwater striper size flies this winter and I am deciding which hooks to use.
For flat wings I am going to use eagle Craw 254/253 hooks per Ken Abrames.
For Deceiver and half'n'half patterns I am thinking of using Mustard 34007 hooks but considering the time put into tying flies I wonder if I would be better off using more expensive hooks.
My question to other board users are what other brands/models hooks are used instead of the 34007 and why.

Thanks in advance

Adrian
12-14-2004, 11:34 AM
My favorite this past season was the TMC 811S.

Lighter weight, fine diameter wire, very strong :smokin:

jfbasser
12-14-2004, 11:58 AM
The Gamakatsu SL11-3H is another 34007 substitute. I prefer perfect ( or round) bend hooks rather than Aberdeen, however.

jimS
12-14-2004, 12:26 PM
Almost identical to the Mustad 34007, but chemically sharpened. The downside is that it sells for twice as much. The 34007 is an excellent hook for the money, but it must be sharpened.

Simms

Philster
12-14-2004, 01:00 PM
If you can work with the shorter shank, and for big mouthed stripers you can, I recommend the Owner Aki. You can get them in 50 packs which really brings the price down. Super hook.

I've straightened 811S hooks on snags using 13.5 pound tippets! Not recommended!

FishHawk
12-14-2004, 01:00 PM
Try the Mustad Signature hooks chemically sharpened and cheaper than Tiemco's .
The model that you want is S74S SS. Since I swithced to the Mustad Signature series of hook my catch rate went way up. Try them and you'll like them.
FishHawk.

Quentin
12-14-2004, 07:20 PM
Try the Mustad Signature hooks chemically sharpened and cheaper than Tiemco's .
The model that you want is S74S SS. Since I swithced to the Mustad Signature series of hook my catch rate went way up. Try them and you'll like them.
FishHawk.

I think he would want the S71S as a substitute for the 34007. The S74S is the long shank version similar to the 34011.

FWIW, I just bought a box of the S74S SS (2/0) and I have to say I'm not impressed. They do seem sharper than the regular Mustad hooks, but in my opinion they're not "Ultra SHARP" as claimed on the box -- they don't even pass the thumbnail test! In addition, some of them already have a slight bend or twist in the shank so I wonder how well they will hold up in a battle. Maybe I got some counterfeit hooks? (They were mail-ordered from a non-sponsor :tsk_tsk: :o )

Q

juro
12-14-2004, 07:45 PM
Snag? Whats a snag? ;)

http://www.flyfishingforum.com/destinations/capecod/chatham/flats.jpg

For the flats, the 811s is my top choice. The larger the hook size, the thicker the wire but it's always thin enough for delicate presentations and it lets the dressing control the action rather than the hook. I don't use lead eyes but even with the non-toxics a little keel puts the point up on the sand for stealth when sight fishing.

For rocks they wouldn't be my first choice. All depends on the situation at hand.

FishHawk
12-15-2004, 05:25 AM
I think you got a bad box of hooks or they were not the real McCoy. All my Signature hooks pass the nail test right out of the box. By the way I have had Tiemco's that broke in the middle of the hook. Seems as if the hooks were too brittle. It all comes down to quality control. I am reporting what I've experienced .
FishHawk

Striper
12-16-2004, 06:02 AM
I used the Mustad signature hooks this season and was very pleased with them. Good quality with affordable price, very strong and believe me they are SHARP! I have the scars to prove it at least 10 times sharper than your garden variety 34007 and I think maybe 2-5 times stronger. Never had a hook bend this season can't say the same for the darn 34007.

Capt. Mike

SageBoy
12-16-2004, 11:32 AM
Here's another vote for the Mustad Signatures. They haven't done me wrong yet. :)

Smolt
12-16-2004, 11:57 AM
I use the Partridge CS52 "Sea Prince" for most of my larger striper flies. I like them very much. They are pricey, but I bought quite a few at a very good rpice some years ago, so I haven't felt the $$ pinch. For the money, I think it is hard to beat the Eagle Claw "Pate" model hook. I use them for my smaller striper flies; very sharp and appear to be strong. Based upon what has been said above, I will definitely try out the Mustad Signature hooks when my current supply runs out in 2031.

Stevo
12-24-2004, 10:46 AM
I really like the Tiemcos (811S), but they are a tad more expensive.
I also like Daiichi, but they too are more expensive.

What I tend to do is use a number of different makes - I tie the more complex patterns with the better, sharper from the packet, hooks and use Mustad 34007 on the more basic patterns.

Eddie
12-29-2004, 11:32 AM
I have to recomend the Eagle Claw Lc413. What a terrific hook. Works for most patterns if you don't mind the hook point up. Sharp, cheap and strong enough. Nice action and less likely to snag. If you haven't, give 'em a try this year. I'm not sure if any of our sponsors carry them, but they should.
Not striper related, but Del Brown used these hooks for his merkin the last couple of seasons.
I tie mostly clouser and hollow fly type flies.

FredA
12-29-2004, 04:34 PM
I've settled on the 811s for staple flys.

Also like the LC413 "jig hook" for Clousers, half and halfs, Well digger Arse type flys. My fly of 2003 was a clouser tied on this hook, that I won in one of the raffles (you tye that Eddie?).

I liked the 3407 rather than the 34007. Tin plated carbon steel 3407 holds a better point and is stronger than the ss 34007, especially in smaller sizes.

Eddie
12-29-2004, 05:54 PM
I think I did tie that one. I'm glad you liked it.

AdrianV
03-21-2005, 06:43 PM
Could anyone tell me if the Mustad S74S can be bend without breaking (angle of about 10-20 degrees in order to convert them into keel-hooks)

Adrian

Penguin
03-21-2005, 07:38 PM
The 2/0 Mustad Signature ck74s ss Popper hooks take a nice bend and is well suited to your keel intended needs...
They are strong but not brittle (like Tiemco)...

Penguin
03-21-2005, 07:43 PM
This is a mild adjustment but suitable...
These are 2/0...I like the overall hook shape and gap...
IMHO...For smaller applications (SandLanceKeel, etc), you could go with a 2 or 4...

AdrianV
03-22-2005, 03:31 PM
Thanks Pete, that hook seems to do the job fine!
The size will be a 2 or 4, seabass do not grow as big as your stripers do, that's why I originally mentioned that these sandeels would be for Europe.

Yesterday I sent a message to the guys from Mustad, asking them if the S74S in stainless could be bent. They are kind enough to send me a package in order to try them form myself. Nice service!

So in either way that problem will be solved. Again thanks for the cooperation.

Adrian

Adrian
03-22-2005, 09:10 PM
Hi Adrian - Adrian here :D

I picked up some s74ss last year for bending and the results were quite good

http://www.avsharp.com/s74ss.jpg

Its interesting going back over all the comments in this thread. One thing I have found with stainless steel hooks in general including the s74ss is that they may come out of the pack super-sharp but once the point get's "dinged" - which is innevitable - they don't sharpen up as well as the older carbon steel hooks.