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: 2005 Ocean Clave


topwater
10-05-2004, 11:03 PM
there was some talk about a 2005 coho clave at neah bay. thought i would try to keep the topic on the front burner.

i know many neah bay lovers are out chasing other species far away from the summer tide-rips, but feel that it is never too early to start planning.

looking at the tide books and past history (peak fishing) i might suggest august 12th through the 14th as a great weekend. the tidal movement is minimal, which should mean calmer seas for small boats (less tidal current). the drawback is the rip fishing won't be as sustained, but i believe that's offset by the safety offered by less turbulent rips and a better chance for good weather.

i know it's really early to be discussing this, but i'd like to put together a first-rate clave that measures up and is a great opportunity to introduce people to world-class coho fishing and just a plain good time.

would love your thoughts and ideas. 8/26-8/28 also looks good tide wise, but numbers wise... first two weeks of august are damn hard to beat.

chris bellows

Big K1
10-06-2004, 01:28 AM
Chris,

Plan it and they will come. A salt clave sounds like alot of fun.

juro
10-06-2004, 05:39 AM
DEFINITELY something we have been talking too much about and not doing enough to make happen!

Sounds like a winner to me. Lodging is booked very far in advance so it's never too soon.

One concern is availability of boat rentals... unless we can work out a flotilla.

Moonlight
10-06-2004, 09:19 AM
Hey Chris your right it's never too early to plan and I concur with your plan either weekend would be great for your stated reasons. I would speculate that there would be a better oppurtunity at connecting with a King Salmon during the July weekend but there would probably be a few less Coho near the beach. Compromise is always part of the equation. I think NZ trout bum is on a trout trip but he early on expressed an intrest in something like this.
A gathering of folks who own there own boats that could pair up with a few other board members would probably be fun I can think of a handful of boats that are out there from this board and mayhaps there are more about. Anywho with almost a year to plan it out it should be a roaring event. Who knows maybe Chris will even be able to get his buddies in the North of Falcon process to have it open next year again!!!!!!!!!! :wink:
We will have to bring this back to the top once a month for a while to see if we can generate the proper response.

SalmoGairdneri
10-06-2004, 10:29 AM
I'm already thinking of 05 Neah myself. I upsized my boat in anticipation of next year. My wife and I made our first trip over the 4th weekend this year and I was out there with Bob on the last day of the season. 7 trips total. Good fishing - though the end of the season was a disappointment compared to the season end of 03 (which was crazy with big fish). It's all relative, you get to the point where if you don't cast up a couple dozen fish with ease, you start to wonder what is wrong.

That's Neah Bay.

Low tide change times gave some of the poorest fishing, but as Chris indicates, makes it easier to get out.

Count me in for that and many other weekends of 05. I anticipate that there will already be 2 folks in my boat. If needed, we could accomodate another person in the boat.

Cheers,

-tony

NZ Trout Bum
10-06-2004, 12:02 PM
Either date is good for me. Should be out every weekend anyhow. May have room for one in my boat depending on which weekend. Can't wait.

On the other hand, it was pretty nice fishing trout in Canada last week. Big camlpfires at night, sleeping in, no worries about tides, no worries about wind and trout to almost 10 pounds or maybe a bit over. Cold though - 26 degrees one night.

topwater
10-06-2004, 07:17 PM
thanks for the enthuthiasm.

the currents will always be an issue. my hope is that next year the further offshore fishing will be back on like normal, so there might be options besides the hard currents in the strait and just out from the entrance (and picking days off during these tides always means i get to fish out there.... yeh, a little greedy :lildevl: ). plus having the clave start on the 12th (friday) means i have an excuse not to work on my b-day.

7/22-24
8/19-21

the above dates are weekends with stronger currents if those might work better.

moonlight, as for kings... if the weather cooperates i think a trip to the prairie might be in order plus this year august seemed to be a productive king month if you could get through the coho (don't forget that next year the pink plague will be upon us).

as for boat rentals, i'm sure if we get enough people together, we could reserve the entire block of kicker boats at big salmon (of course, reservations have been unrelieable the last few years at big salmon).

i think that the cape would make a great base of operations and i'll talk to gordy about reserving a big block back in the corner i stay at. if we can get enough campers i think it shouldn't be a problem.

i think when buried in the snow this winter, i'm gonna look forward to sitting around a fire bs'ing about salmon and hoping the wind blowing is just the neah bay "harbor" wind :smile:

and juro, as i mentioned in the PM i sent you, i would be happy to work with you to have a raffle of some kind to help fund this great forum.

chris bellows

t_richerzhagen
10-07-2004, 07:45 AM
What would be the tackle for a newbie in this ocean stuff?

Moonlight
10-07-2004, 09:12 AM
I would recomend an 8wt rod a minimum of 9'6' I prefer rods that are over 10' it helps to keep the fly above the boat and me ( not to mention the other fellow in the boat)! Any quality fly reel that will hold a fly line and 150+yds. of backing will do nicely. All this is recomended for Coho, if you want to fish Kings then you really should consider a big club somewhere from 10wt to 12wt. This because you are going to need to get down with big heavy lines and weighted flys and still have striking power but you will have a lot more action ignoring the Kings and casting comfortably with the 8wt for Coho!!!
Its a worthy venture this ocean fishing for Coho good luck.

SalmoGairdneri
10-07-2004, 10:57 AM
What would be the tackle for a newbie in this ocean stuff?


I made some suggestions earlier in the year.

http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/showpost.php?p=118839&postcount=20

Longer rods are nice for some things, but also a bit more of a hassle to stow easily in the boat. I was mostly using 9.5' & 10' RPL's this year, but 9' seemed fine too.

Cheers,

-tgades

Leland Miyawaki
10-07-2004, 12:17 PM
Chris,

Count me in to do whatever I can to make this happen.

I am looking forward to next summer already!

Leland.

topwater
10-07-2004, 10:26 PM
i personally don't like rods longer than 9'... they make fish more difficult to land imo... but that's just a recommendation. if you have a longer 8 wt. bring it and fish it.

for lines i like a couple. for sinking line work, i prefer a rio striper line (350 grain). for floating and intermediate line work i like 30' shooting heads (i use the rio). i upsize the heads (fish a 10 wt head on an 8 wt.). i fish heavy leaders (15 lb) but keep them fairly short (9' with a floater is the longest). for dredging, a shooting head made from 30' of rio t-14 works great.

flies, i'm a clouser whore... so it's a chartreuse and white FLASHTAIL clouser. half and halfs also work great. for topwater flies i like a bob's banger tied with a trailer hook. find it slides far better than popper heads specifically designed for sliding... and will pop hard when and if you want it to.

i'm feeling good about the number of people interested.

i'll post more details as they become available.

chris

Feiger
10-08-2004, 10:58 PM
got a couple guys in central oregon and idaho that would be VERY interested in this... we got a taste of blue water coho up in alaska this summer, can't wait to tie into them again. we saw the posts for the Neah Bay area, making plans for next summer as well!!! If we could swing this clave at the same time, just a bigger bonus!!!!!!!

Moonlight
10-08-2004, 11:29 PM
What Glacier is that in the second picture?

juro
10-09-2004, 05:58 AM
We should include a friendly contest, everyone chips in two flies and the winner of the boat derby takes one set; the winner of the shore derby takes the other.

This is going to be a blast! :smokin:

Feiger
10-09-2004, 08:16 AM
Grewingk Glacier, feeding into Kachemak Bay. Fishing off of the Homer Spit... Not terribly glamorous for Alaska, but can't argue with the hundreds of fish stacked up and moving by that beach.

As far as Juro's proposal, all for that! Just make sure there are prizes for us boat-less guys that have to wade the shallow stuff! :smokin: :chuckle:

topwater
11-06-2004, 06:54 PM
okay, i'm gonna set it for the weekend of august 12-14th of 2005.

juro, if the dates don't work for you, please let me know if some of the alternate dates mentioned in the thread work better.

it may seem early, but i need to know so i can get a head start on next salmon season.

bring your boats and fly rods. if anybody wants to lead some of the beach fishing, feel free to take a lead role.

chris

Leland Miyawaki
11-06-2004, 07:35 PM
Sounds good to me. Doublespey will have his new bigger and better boat by then.

Leland.

Moonlight
11-06-2004, 08:14 PM
Topwater, that sounds as great I will be there for sure.

juro
11-06-2004, 08:34 PM
Can't wait!

I don't see any conflicts at this point in time and have it on the calendar. Never too early, especially since we might try to chip in to grab a bigger lodging arrangement and split it to get the price to very affordable levels.

Another option is to camp and we all bring a share, usually the more at camp the better the camping in terms of having everything we need on hand.

We could have a fresh salmon barbeque on Sat PM dinner, break out your best grilled salmon recipes.

A chinook on the fly contest might be in order.

If we're lucky we will get Chuck H to hold a west coast scotch tasting after dinner.

topwater
11-10-2004, 06:02 AM
great, glad the dates work. they are now in the calendar.

of course, there are motels available but i was going to talk to gordy at the cape and see if i could reserve a entire corner of the campground for us. there would also be one rv spot available in the corner i'm thinking about (the back corner where i am permanantly anchored).

a bbq sounds great.

juro, feel free to e-mail me (topwaters@msn.com) or call me to discuss possible raffles, etc. you have been to numerous claves, and i would appreciate any and all advice to make this one measure up.

chris

OC
11-10-2004, 08:20 AM
I plan on sailing up from the Hood Canal for the clave. Looking forward to seeing everyone there.

Now if Kush would just lend me that Jet sled to tow behind my sloop.

Moonlight
11-10-2004, 09:01 PM
There is enough time to plan this outing so that it will be the best ever. The challenge is the availability of skiffs for everybody. Food not a problem, sleeping in a tent is not a problem. (its usually to hot in mid August)!

Big K1
11-10-2004, 11:33 PM
Aug. 12-14th Sounds good to me!

tbuehrens
11-13-2004, 10:08 AM
im down guys...ill bring the whaler out again. I was there those dates this year, and it was great!
-Tom

Moonlight
06-30-2005, 10:05 AM
Bringing this post back to the "Top" mid August is close at hand and Salmon opens Friday in the Salt. :)

juro
07-08-2005, 12:48 PM
Any way we can move it up a week? I need to be in Lake Ontario the following weekend for a Spey Clave and prefer not to do back2backs away from home.

Any objections to Aug 6-7?

thanks in advance.

Moonlight
07-08-2005, 01:19 PM
I will probably be there anyway!! So its no sweat for me.

topwater
07-08-2005, 01:21 PM
the earlier weekend will work as well for me as the original dates. i have trips during the entire time frame, but would be happy to help out with camping arrangements and whatever else i can in the neah bay area.

fishing has started off a bit slow, but fish are starting to move in... and i can remember past years that started just like this and then exploded. hopefully the wdfw sampling doesn't screw us this salmon season like they do during halibut season. the first week's catch numbers from wdfw looked high to those who spent time on the water (we supposedly caught 4.5 % of the coho quota on the opening two days).

chris

Doublespey
07-08-2005, 01:41 PM
And I know that Sparkey would be happy with that arrangement as well! :smokin:

NrthFrk16
07-09-2005, 01:34 AM
And I know that Sparkey would be happy with that arrangement as well! :smokin:

damn straight. would prevent me from having to choose between my mother's wedding and lots o' chromer coho. :lildevl:

juro
07-09-2005, 11:11 AM
Great news.

Suggestions:

We should make the dates Fri-Sun so the Sun closure will not prevent two days on the water for those who can get the day off.

Sun could be an optional ling/rock day or a summer run day on the area's rivers.

Topwater, and all who are taking a 'meister' role please post all related information and we will put up an information page / signup page.

- lodging as suggested by Chris = Cape Motel and RV

- boat rental info (if any)

- food plan (I can help here)

- volunteer provisions (wood, water, ice, camp coolers, lanterns, etc)

Sounds like the makings of a stellar annual event.

juro
07-09-2005, 02:36 PM
Here's another thought... (if we'd already discussed this I apologize in advance)

Is the risk of quota based closure too high in early September? In the dozen or so years I'd lived out there the Labor Day time frame was almost always the best for big hooknoses (probably 90%).

The reports would indicate that the fall salmon fishery could be as slow-starting as the spring runs and this would be 6 weeks verses 2 weeks to move things along. It seems slow right now, and the current dates would only be a couple of weeks out.

Also the adjacent steelhead fishing opportunities would be much better, not to mention dramatically reduced airfares.

Any opinions on this? Meanwhile I will go look through the previous posts to see if this has already been discussed.

D3Smartie
07-10-2005, 11:59 AM
whatever you do dont take room 3 at the cape unless you like the smell of ganga...

Leland Miyawaki
07-10-2005, 05:32 PM
Turns out these new dates, 8/6-7 puts me out of the loop. My mother is up from California and my kid and wife and friends are out from the east coast at that time.

Oh well,
Leland.

juro
07-12-2005, 11:31 PM
Leland -

I think there is some flexibility. I am trying to get a general consensus with the poll thread... hope people put in their vote.

NZ Trout Bum
07-13-2005, 10:52 AM
Maybe I am a computer barbarian (well, no "maybe" about it) but I couldn't figure out how to post a vote. Help. W

juro
07-13-2005, 11:03 AM
NZ -

Here's the link:

http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/showthread.php?t=20811

Select the item(s) and click "vote now"

thanks

Feiger
07-15-2005, 12:31 AM
but if the original date stands, i'm in... a trip to montucky fell through, gotta use up that leave i've earned this summer somehow.... anxiously awaiting the final tally----
Feiger

Moonlight
07-15-2005, 11:59 AM
I voted for the Early August date. Probably right after Juro as there were only two votes. I just finished my pre season maintanece chores on my skiff and checked it out in the Harbor at PA all systems were go. I repacked the wheel bearings on the trailerand changed Hypoid oil in the outboard gear box (for you guys with jet sleds thats the fluid in the gear box just in front of the propeller :chuckle: ).
I checked out my saltflybox and I see I really do not need to tie up any new ones but I probably will anyway.
NZ Do you mean computer Neanderthal? :lildevl:
From the Clan of the Cavefishers

topwater
07-15-2005, 12:48 PM
either of the August dates work for me. september is imo a poor choice due to a likely closure due to a smaller coho quota this summer.

chris

SalmoGairdneri
07-15-2005, 02:45 PM
SNIP
....and changed Hypoid oil in the outboard gear box (for you guys with jet sleds thats the fluid in the gear box just in front of the propeller :chuckle: ).
SNIP


That thing holds oil too? I thought it was just for breaking off to warn you that you'd gone too shallow...

-tony

SalmoGairdneri
07-15-2005, 02:48 PM
either of the August dates work for me. september is imo a poor choice due to a likely closure due to a smaller coho quota this summer.

chris

Hi Chris,

Has the silver and/or pink action picked up out there? It was slow for us on salmon 5-8 July. My wife and I were the jokers in the blue-sided alumaweld (and an unpainted one in past years). We were fishing with Dick & Nate this most recent trip.

Some spotty reports that it is picking up out there.

-tony

topwater
07-17-2005, 09:09 AM
the fishing is slowly picking up. the fish are smaller this year, although we did get an 11 pound hatchery fish on thursday.

it is fairly typical early july fishing, spotty. there are certainly more fish around now than when i was casting that popper at your boat (if i'm fishing rockfish, salmon is beyond slow)

offshore is spottier than i'd like to see. the mackerel are about two to three weeks early, and the number of coho feeding on the bait we saw was disappointing.

of course, there have certainly been years like this before. four years ago the coho fishing was terrible (with a few spurts) before the fish showed up in force in late july (like the 31st) and then the fishing was as good as it gets.

i know it's going to pick up, but it's tough fishing choice water with few fish. it feels fishy, but the fish aren't there.

chris

OC
07-18-2005, 08:17 AM
Had a friend pick up some big Coho late last week in big seas offshore. Also hooked into a few big Black Bass while fishing on top or close to top. They were all good size and fought better than the Coho. Anyone else picking up non target fish out there. With water temps warmer it won't be long before a Marlin or mahi mahi comes to the boat. Hows the bait situation?

Moonlight
07-19-2005, 10:46 PM
I am bringing my Airstream and Chris has his Trailer there all season, NZ Trout bum has (usually ) a Pop Up that sleeps half the population of Guadaljara. Lots of Lanterns and cooking stoves are available, the only thing that is lacking is commitment to places aboard the boats!(this is key) I am going to be alone for the weekend ( so as to avail myself to someone from the board who is without a ride). I too have several tents that will accomadate 5 to 6 adults each, bring your own pads and bag (set it up yourself I'm a host not a flunky) Juro, food is not a problem (as you stated) there are so many good chefs in camp that the only problem will be trying to determine "who" gets to help with the prep and clean up!
Time is "Marching on" if you are going to be there it is "time to cement your intent"

NrthFrk16
07-21-2005, 03:44 PM
will provide good company for boat ride...gas money as well. :) ...or whatever else anyone wants as long as it doesnt require knee protection. :eek:

i think i've given up on Sekiu....havent had a good trip in a couple years but every attempt i've made to rent a boat at big salmon has ended in failure.

my august is open except for the 13th and the weekend of the 27th.

topwater
07-28-2005, 03:51 PM
if anyone needs information from me about the clave, please contact me via phone. 360-460-7479

it's tough to get anything done via the computer when you get on it once or twice a week.

juro
07-29-2005, 10:28 AM
I am locked out of anything but August 26-28th due to conflicts.

The question is what's the likelihood that the quota will be hit before then?

Will I be pigeon-holed into Sekiu only by that time? That's not a bad consolation prize but...

I will likely commit to a ticket very soon -or- plan for a different steelhead trip later on in the fall.

Decisions decisions

NZ Trout Bum
07-29-2005, 12:13 PM
A quick guess is that the quota may fill prior to that but I will have a better idea after this weekend. The shop is still messing with a new hydrolic steering system in the Whaler so will not be there until tonight but have to work part of next week so will email back with a more current report first of the week.

I am excited about the new steering system. Have always had the old cable style and at the end of a ten day trip my right arm feels about 4 inches longer than my left and I have a constant pain in my neck. They say with this system you can run flat out (on calm seas) without touching the wheel. Of course it is a long way from cheap. Oh well, as my old skipper (Moonlight) used to say "it isn't money until you spend it". Hope to see you in late August.

NZTB

SalmoGairdneri
07-29-2005, 04:05 PM
I am locked out of anything but August 26-28th due to conflicts.

The question is what's the likelihood that the quota will be hit before then?

Will I be pigeon-holed into Sekiu only by that time? That's not a bad consolation prize but...

I will likely commit to a ticket very soon -or- plan for a different steelhead trip later on in the fall.

Decisions decisions

I'm going to be out there all next week, will know more after that. By all accounts, the ocean conditions have made it tough to get out.

It looks like smaller swells are predicted for early next week... but who knows.

I haven't had a decent day at Sekiu since 2001 and I was able to fish out there for most of July, Aug, Sept. 2001 was insane good all season long. I've fished there a couple times each year since, but it hasn't been very good at all.

Cheers,

-tony

topwater
07-30-2005, 09:21 PM
juro,

i wouldn't count on neah bay being open that late in august. it is unlikely that southern ports will allow fish to be moved north (even though they cannot catch them) and neah bay will be shut down.

maybe this isn't the best year, but i am still up for meeting up with people and helping as much as i can.

chris

NZ Trout Bum
08-01-2005, 12:17 PM
Well, They are Baaaack. Good numbers off Tatoosh and the Whistle Bouy. Still pretty modest in size. Out of 20 or 30 landed the largest was about 7.5. Still, great grabs and some hot little fish. Sunday was a "rock fish" day but those pesky coho kept stealing the fly from them. Did have a monster ling grab a rock again but, as usual, I lost the battle. Didn't catch a single pink but stayed off colors that they like.

The areas both to the south (area 3) and east (area 5) are still open daily for salmon but you have run about six miles south of Skagway past Umitilla (sp?) Rocks or east to the mouth of the Sekiu River. Once you go there and kill a salmon you can not stop in area 4 (Neah Bay) and fish rocks again.

Camp is on station in space 103 at The Cape Motel/Campground. Nice fire pit and lots of room to sit around. Bring a chair and some firewood. Moonlight will be there on Tuesday PM so look for an Airstream and you probably found him.
One other thing to consider for later trips. The Hood Canal bridge will be closed over at least one weekend. Just heard it on the radio so will check on the web site. I think it is www.hoodcanalbridge.com.

See everyone there.
TB

Moonlight
08-02-2005, 04:36 PM
I have my Airstream set up in stall 207 at The Cape RV. From the looks of NZ TB site I will be bringing my firewood to his site much more proper for relaxing than where I have been placed :cool: .
Now all I have to do is get them to finish the installation of my new Outboard and I will head back out.
The Ocean was flat calm out there but the "Fog" was pea soup all the way in past Twin Rivers. Good GPS weather :lildevl:

juro
08-11-2005, 09:05 AM
After much wishing, this will not be the year for me. I'm teaching a class this weekend, got the clave and teaching next weekend, Denver coming up early Sept, then a steelhead or atlantic salmon trip sometime in September.

If my fall sortie is in PNW then I will assuredly incorporate a saltchuck outing in the schedule if the quota holds up.

Thanks for the generous gestures everyone has made. We will not be denied in 2006!