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: Question for the membership

08-06-2004, 06:03 PM
I would like very frank and honest answers here because based upon what you guy's tell me will predicate my further posting. Be brutally honest and let fly with the criticism at will.

Do my posts of success with pictures smack of bragging? Do you believe that my posting has had an adverse affect upon the bass population? Has my posting in some way compromised someone elses fishing spots/area's?

I have once again received a large amount of hate mail in response to the last couple of postings with myself and Michelle. It seems there are some out in cyberworld that think that I am a nothing more than a bragging bass killing idiot who does not give a s**t about anyone or the fish???? Some of you have had the opportunity to get to know me a little and I am curious is it me or are these folks just trying to get a rise out of me??? I think I am a pretty responsible person and respect the environment and the fish implicitly, I go out of my way to make sure others are educated as to the best C&R techniques, and I do my level best to never kill any bass especially the bigger ones I have had the luck to fish for lately. I am also curious if maybe these people might just be a bit jealous or envious???? I don't know just throwing out ideas here and not really sure why the hostility? If I am to blame and I am doing something I should not be doing I am man enough to take the heat and will honestly listen to the folks here, I value your opinions and expertise and will welcome your observations as sometimes I am somewhat eyes wide shut so to speak..

Mike M.

08-06-2004, 06:19 PM
Mike- I have no idea who has been sending you those messages; I suspect they are either not regulars on the FFF (i.e. visitors just looking to cause problems, including a group that Sean had to boot for spamming not long ago...) or some anti-fishing tofu-eaters. You should pass their handles on to the moderator for disciplinary action, or to Penguin for some SERIOUS disciplinary action.... :lildevl:
Doc Shep
P.S.- I think your pics are way cool, IMHO.

08-06-2004, 06:20 PM
Mike...I hope that your hate mail does not come from people on this board... to be brutally honest with you have good friends on this board.... and I am one of them.... Don't worry about it.

08-06-2004, 08:38 PM
Mike, keep it up, I love'm!


08-06-2004, 08:50 PM
I sent you an email. :)

08-06-2004, 08:53 PM
Mike -

You're the kind of sportsman I admire and am glad to know. Aside from giving something back to our community and the environment, celebration of the sport is what we're all about - and you do it very well.

However I do need to talk to you about kicking that live bait habit so you can get the monster bass on a fly :lildevl: JUST KIDDING! JUST KIDDING!!! ;) ;)

Thanks for your posts and inspiration to seek the upper echalon of the striper breed.

I hope we can get out again soon like last year.

08-06-2004, 09:33 PM
Mike, as you well know, there are some very sick, sad people out there for whom the web has created a new home. God knows what they did to vent their frustrations before flaming on bbs and 'hate email'. :rolleyes:

You are a true, "old school" fisherman with a good head and a good heart. You have a lot of friends here and I always look forward to seeing your posts.

Keep 'em coming! :smokin:

08-06-2004, 11:26 PM
Hi Mike,

Sorry to hear your receiving hate mail over your postings. I always enjoy reading them and have learned some things from you as well. Congrats by the way in getting the wife out for a great day of fishing too.

Unfortunately the web makes it much easier for people to be targeted by those wanting to do so.
Hopefully it won't escalate to anything more than yet another piece of spam.

Hope to see you on the water,

08-06-2004, 11:46 PM

I am a sucker for some good fish porn so keep it coming. I might suggest taking your email off your signature. Let whomever these folks are bother someone else. I don't know a single fisherman who doesn't have a few pics of fish they show off every now and then. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.


08-07-2004, 12:36 AM
Mike, Don`t let a few dimwits get too ya! I love your post. You`re one of the most conscientious sportsmen around. And just the best I know at catching these fish.

08-07-2004, 05:16 AM
33% neutrons
33% protons
33% electrons
47% MORONS !!!

It sounds as if you have been exposed to the bantering of some dunder heads...
Cowards love annonimity and the cheap shot sucker punches that it affords them.
It's tough to soar with the eagles when you have to deal with TURKEYS !

Mike...Keep your chin up and don't let the self appointed bozos get you down !

08-07-2004, 05:30 AM
Mike, you can tell by the names that answered your post, which if you notice are the backbone of FFF, that guys here enjoy your post, and pictures of a knowing fisherman, that has served his time on the waters, and is willing to share his success story. It is too bad that you can't catch the big one on a fly. I suspect, that depth , and speed of the current have a lot to do with it. I know I have tried a lot of different methods using a flyrod without success while everyon else using other than a flyrod easily catch larger fish. Fishing BR eh!
Mike, It is a pleasure to know you. If I ever heal I would be happy to meet you on your home waters.

08-07-2004, 07:02 AM
Mike you are not bragging. I know on another board that there was a post about bragging and the leader of that site started that post. I won't start a nasty war here but people know what I'm talking about. There is no one on this board who would send you such e-mail. I have gone fishing with you and you are the type of angler who wants to share his experiences with others. This board is comprised of anglers who like to share and are very helpful to others.
Keep the reports coming you have our support.

08-07-2004, 09:03 AM
I appreciate your responses more than you will ever know and I knew I could count on the members here to shoot straight from the hip. To answer Juro and Art B. I have exhausted myself trying to catch one of these big fish on the fly, do you know what it is like to cast a 12 wt. w/650 gr. for hours on end without a touch :whoa: . It is not for lack of trying I will assure you, I would much rather catch one of these fish on the fly than on live bait, and if I ever do the bragging will definitely be loud :hihi: . But seriously I do not post for bragging rights if I did there would be no room for anyone else to post as I catch many more fish than what I post about it. I just think it is enjoyable to share big fish success with your peers and friends and if these were not posted I venture to guess some would never even see a fish of this size. It is unfortunate that some feel it is braggart-ly to post some pics for all to see, one of the complaints is that I posted to multiple websites, the only reason I did this is becuae I have an extended group of fishing friends who don't all visit the same websites that's all. In the future I will keep posting messages but feel that pictures will be reserved for email and PM's. This is only to keep the wild animals in their cages. One other thing about using the flyrod, believe me when I tell you I have tried all manner of technique and methods to target these fish on the fly, I am confident I am getting down to them as I have brought my share of bottom junk. I just think these fish are keyed in to real food at this time of the year and it would be a stroke of incredible luck to fool one one the fly. My friend who occassinally posts here is a phenominal fly-tier and has spun up some beautiful huge shad imitations that if not for the hook I might even eat myself. I will keep at it as I am not going to let a few malcontents ruin my limited free time. By the way just for the record I have caught a bunch of 30+ lb. fish this year, not as many as last year, but all except for one have been successfully released to fight another day. The fish my wife caught never left the water until after 30 min. of attempted revival we decided to bring it into the boat and use it for our own consumption. Which was awesome by the way, had it blackened the first night and then used it in my wifes fish chowder that is outa this world with the huge chinks of bonesless bass meat in it. The first and only bass taken by me for consumption this year. Thanks again all for the support, frankness, and humbling comments I can never tell you enough how much it has helped me to put this all in perspective. You guy's RULE!!!! :biggrin: :D :biggrin: :D :smokin:

M. Mayo

08-07-2004, 09:51 AM
Hi Mike - I would like to hear more about your attempts to catch these fish on the fly even if you really haven't been that successful yet. Instead of just saying the flies didn't work and showing a picture of a big fish you caught on bait, I would be interested in what you are trying. Let us know about what fly patterns, equipment, retrieves, time of day, tides, etc. Maybe we can help figure out these fish or the info can help us here in our attempts to catch big stripers on the fly. Please don't take this post the wrong way. I'm not trying to criticize anything you are doing. I have a real love of flyfishing and I think the info you could provide us could help us all here.

08-07-2004, 10:20 AM

I dont post a lot on FFF but I try to check it out daily. I get a ton of information and inspiration from the members dedicated to the site.

I say keep the pictures coming. There is nothing better when I get a few minutes to sneak away from work and surf the site then to see a new picture of a moose linesider. (gotta close out quick if the boss shows up :lildevl: however...)


Good fishin

Ray J

08-07-2004, 11:16 AM

Coming from someone who doesn't know you, I always look forward to your posts. Keep 'em coming!


08-07-2004, 11:58 AM
Ditto to what Seuus said. Keep the pics coming! Pics and posts like yours are my only link to my fav destination. Hope to hook up with you & the rest of the "rulers" on a future trip to the coast.

08-08-2004, 08:10 AM
Keep 'em coming Mike! :D

The readers who don't like your posts don't have to read them!

FWIW, I would also like to hear more about your efforts to catch those monsters on a fly. For example, are you blind casting or do you see the fish that you're after? Have you tried the old "bait & switch" trick? Do the fish react at all to the flies? Even getting a follow or look from one of those beasts must get your adrenaline going!


Dble Haul
08-08-2004, 09:36 AM
Mike, based on our few interactions at the winter fly shows and our conversations here on this site I'd say that anyone who is detracting from you is just envious.

Don't sweat it!

08-08-2004, 05:39 PM
Just delete their emails :razz: and keep'em coming.

08-09-2004, 05:07 AM
Mike - I too enjoy your posts and don't consider you bragging at all. Keep 'em coming, as I get great pleasure reading them - wishing I could get the time on the water that you seem to. If anything, I'd think that most of the hate mail your getting is due strictly to jealousy.


08-09-2004, 07:00 AM
In the couple years I've spent checking this site, your fish stories/pictures are among the things that I truly look forward to seeing. It would be a shame if a few fools caused your contributions to the FFF to dwindle.

08-09-2004, 07:20 AM
Keep 'em comming. Your e-mailers have issues you and we needn't concern ourselves with.

08-09-2004, 08:44 AM
(catching up)

Mike - "Ad astra per aspera"

Ignore the malcontents.

08-09-2004, 09:21 AM
I ran into that a few years ago - don't let 'em get to you.

Keep doing what you're doing!


08-09-2004, 01:39 PM
Thanks again guy's as I said before you guy's rule!!! I would much rather catch all my fish on the fly, but in reality there are times when that is not possible. I am not going to stop fishing because I can't catch em' on the fly, and I do not begrudge anyone if they only fish with the fly. It is a personal thing and everyone is different. I am a fisherman first and go out to relax and enjoy being on the water, if I catch fish while on the water it is a bonus and I do not much care what method I have to employ to make that a reality. After all it is FISHING isn't it. I don't want to make it seem harder than it is but I have talked with alot of guy's who have tried live lining bait and they have not been successful, there is alot of experience and know how that goes into each and every method and technique employed. Live lining is definitely much easier than catching fish on artificial lures or hooks, but it is not a matter of fish jumping into your arms either. Believe me there have been days when it took me several hours to get my limit of shad to take out and use, the whole time the tide is wasting away and I am beating my head trying to get bait. There have also been times when I could not buy a bite on a lived lined bait, that's fishing! I will respond later about my efforts with the fly in regards to the big girls.

Mike M.

Tod D
08-09-2004, 01:47 PM

We've never met, but obviously have a number of mutual acquaintances & friends through this board.

I for one have always enjoyed your posts. They smack me as the writings of someone who loves to fish and, equally important, can paint a terrific picture of his outings.

The internet does funny things to bravado and manners.

Keep 'em coming!