: Mustad 34007 hook?
06-13-2004, 08:55 AM
On Wednesday at Morris Island, in the bay, I lost what probably would've been a fish of a lifetime, because the 2/0 34007 straightened out. The fish was running across the bay toward the opposite shore, behind Greg and John. She had about 200 yards of flyline and backing out and I was paranoid that she'd head for open water and wrap the line around them so I applied the brakes as hard as I could -- pop went the hook.
Not a happy camper . . .
06-13-2004, 09:20 AM
I've had Tiemco hooks break at the bend, leaving me with perfect looking flies with no hook under them. This usually occurred due to bumps with rocks (Clousers fished in a rocky river for stripers, but little shad flies too) but the Mustad hooks would come out with only a bent hook, which could be bent back into shape. Guess it's a toss up, bend or break. Easy on the Jake brake Peter!:tsk_tsk:
06-13-2004, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Moose
Easy on the Jake brake Peter!:tsk_tsk:
Tell me about it. :(
Greg and John were about 150 yards away and I was yelling to them that the fish had gone behind them. Initially, it ran straight at them but she probably saw them and veered off toward the inside of the bay. Had she headed out instead, I wouldn't have had to lean into her and probably would've had a better shot at landing her. I still had about 100 yards or so of backing left on the reel so I was OK for a while. Wish I had gotten at least a look. There's a channel running down the far side and I think she got into that.
The boys couldn't see which way she was going so they really didn't have any options -- they couldn't of gotten out of the way in any event.
BTW, the Atlantis worked beautifully on this big fish -- I highly recommend it as a big fish lever.
06-13-2004, 06:40 PM
I also lost a nice striper because a Mustad 34007 partially straightened out during the battle, but I was only using a size 2 at the time. I'm surprised that a 2/0 opened up. Musta been a nice fish!
06-13-2004, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Quentin
Musta been a nice fish!
It was -- I've landed some pretty fiesty, big GL chinook, but nothing I've ever hooked felt like that. Runaway locomotive comes to mind . . .
06-13-2004, 08:41 PM
The 34007's are soft. I always preferred the 3407's, plated carbon steel hooks. They also stay sharp longer. I've had a schoolie open a #2 34007. Been using tiemcos the past couple of years and can't complain. With clousers your susceptible to crevise corrosion where the eyes are attached and embrittlement with higher strength material. The stronger the hook the more likely the hook will break when being dragged and banged across rocks and gravel.
I've also thought about taking my chemically sharpend hooks and throwin them in an oven for an hour or so at about 350-400F to eliminate the possibility of hydrogen embrittlement (residual from the etchent used to sharpen the hooks). But I'm sure the manufactures have this covered.
06-13-2004, 08:55 PM
You should look for either the Daiichi stainless steel saltwater hook (I think it is model #2451, but I'm not sure), or the Gamakatsu Trey Combs Blue Water hook. They are not soft like the Mustad, nor are they brittle like the Tiempco. You might have to look around to find either of these hooks though. Or get a local dealer who carries either Daiichi or Gamakatsu to order them for you.
06-13-2004, 09:07 PM
34007 is an old model and I've always doubted the integrity of the wire. I made some bendbacks a couple of seasons ago and was disturbed by how easily they bent in the vise.
Gamis are great. I've not been let down by SC15 yet and have had a couple of large fish run a lot of backing out. I also like Daiichi 2546 but have had a couple break on me. Maybe the problem Fred mentioned above?
06-13-2004, 09:30 PM
Later that evening, we were tying up flies and I had a good look at the Daiichis that Greg had -- seemed to be a heavier guage and better made. I've not tried a Gami hook, but I'll take a look -- the local bait & tackle shops carry lots of them.
Right now, I have an image of myself starring in a Daiichi commercial -- after a short take of the fight, cut to me forlornly looking at my straightened hook and the announcer intones, "If only he had used a Daiichi . . . "
06-14-2004, 01:59 AM
I suffered a nine-consecutive-day-without-a-steelhead episode earlier this year. During those dark days four fish were lost to bent Daiichi 2x strong hooks.
The hooks I have confidence in are Gamakatsu and Owner.
OUCH! Sorry to hear about the monster loss Peter, you'll make up for it I'm sure with another encounter.
I stopped using Mustads after numerous experiences with them being opened up by even tender-mouthed coho salmon in the pacific. Well ok some of the hooknoses were not so tender mouthed, but still no such mishaps with quality hooks like Tiemco and Daichi.
Personally I prefer a light wire high strength hook for better hook setting, less loss of fish due to tearing of the opening (hvy wire hook) and lightweight for casting ease. I use the Tiemco TMC811s religiously and after countless fish 99+% of them have been reliable, not enough problems to even mention.
I do like tube fly hooks and will fish them a little thicker wire since the pivot point is so close to the point there is no lever to work against itself in shaft length, which is a problem I've had with long shanked hooks.
In any case, hope the stars align for the big submarine striper next time you hook up.
06-15-2004, 02:24 PM
Mush have been some fish...
I use Gamakatsu SC15, (great hook if you ask me) they will break but don't think they will bend. I use 20 lb. FC for a leader and think the line would fail before the hook.
I second Juro's comments about thin wire high hook strength for better hook setting.