: Wobbling flies
05-20-2004, 05:34 PM
I was just wondering if any innovative tiers out there have managed to come up with a wobbling fly yet. I have been experimenting with epoxy heads, but haven't managed to perfect anything yet.
05-20-2004, 05:49 PM
The closest thing I've come across that can still be called a fly is Bob Popovics Pop-lips which utilises silicone to create a diving plane.
Also look at the Tullis Wiggle bug which uses shaped foam to get the same effect. You could probably get similar effects by experimenting with tightly packed/clipped deer hair.
05-21-2004, 02:23 PM
Thanks very much for the reply. I wonder if you could tell me where I would be able to see a picture of these flies, or better still, instructions on how to tie them.
05-23-2004, 04:22 PM
Here's a wobbling epoxy pattern I came up with. It wobbles quite well and has the added attraction of the twister tail. I also tie it with a sili-leg tail (5-6 strands). I use larva lace or V-rib to form the frame for the epoxy similar to tying an epoxy glass minnow. Creative rotation of the tying vice results in the spoon shaped body.
I call this fly a "Bonetwiggle"..."Bonefish/twister/wiggle"...go figure?
Give it a shot!...this fly accounted for my largest bone on a trip to Eleuthera this March/April.
06-20-2004, 09:19 PM
The fly looks interesting, but where do you get the tails? Are they bass lures?
06-20-2004, 10:36 PM
I don't know what he used here but cabela's has a line of flytying twistertails.
06-22-2004, 06:10 PM
You hit the nail on the head with the Cabela's. These tails are available in an array of colours. I actually buy mine locally through a local fly shop.
07-01-2004, 07:01 PM
Caves Wobbler This is my version of a Caves Wobbler. Theses are very popular down here in the Big Easy for Redfish. Mines a little heavier and streamlined than the origional.
I combined several photo's to get a total look at the fly. It's very efective and wobbles nicely :) .
i tried with a "loop"not for smaller fish,a stainless stel ring for bigger fish.it works,the fly mowes "freely"instead of being"dragged"by the line. :smokin:
07-07-2004, 10:42 PM
I am not sure what the last post means....are you talking about tying the fly on a "non-slip-mono loop"?... if so... this will not make it wobble...just move a bit more than a direct tie...it is still dragged though.
07-07-2004, 11:13 PM
HCDK, the original post was a question about flies that incorporate wobble effects into their inherent design.
As far as means of attachment goes, loop knots facilitate movement, they do not cause it!
You could get extra movement on any pattern by using something like a riffling hitch but that's not what this thread is about.
Count me out of the loop knot crowd. I found the knot to be much weaker than a palomar knot, and it makes the line visible to spooky fish. I'd prefer to have a compact barely visible (palomar) knot at the head than a big knot and loop. I believe choice of materials and fly design puts life into a fly not the terminal knot so the minuses outweigh the plusses, at least where/how I fish.
Per action from the loop I am not convinced it is meaningful. I seem to catch fish fine without it. I also fish tube flies a lot and not only do they hook fish, but they hold the fish much better. The body of the tube is perfectly in-line and there is no swivel point involved. Doesn't seem to affect the hook-up ratio at all.
I also fish the double turle on loop eye flies. The loop knot is just weird on loop eye flies tied on classic salmon hooks. I seem to hook my share of fish on the double turle, another in-line knot without a loop.
The only conclusion I made from fishing a loop knot was a noticeable loss of strength in the knot when pulling out a snag, and an occasional loss of a large fish when using lighter tippets. I have abandoned them entirely, but who knows I could be missing something... or not.
Back on topic, wobbly flies are cool... this gives me a lot of ideas for flats flies!
08-02-2004, 12:34 PM
Here's my version, tied sideways on a spey hook using mylar tube pulled over a lead foil body with yak hair on top.
The Hickory Shad in NC loved it.
02-10-2005, 11:56 AM
In The netherlands there's a company called Poseidon, this company makes plastic lips for creating wobbler flies.
A small example of these plastic pieces; Wobbler flies (http://www.pikefly.com/roof/wobbler.htm)
They come in different sizes for creating small swimming nymps to huge Swimming Pike flies made on a size #6/0 to #8/0 hook :Eyecrazy: .
I guess there are no limits on what to make with them..
Greetings, Limpe :D
02-14-2005, 03:07 PM
Limpe, what are the flies on that page used for? Those wobbling lips are really interesting. I'm sure you could make the same thing with some thin, flexible plastic from a craft store, but it's neat to see them pre-made.
02-15-2005, 01:53 PM
The flies in the ad are for a relatively new sort (species) of fish here, these flies where especially designed for that fish (the Aspius aspius, latin name, english name unknown to me).
Bsically, they have created a small plug (lure) wich can be cast on a #6 weight rod without any effort.
Used in combination with a sinking or slow sinking line and the foam of wich "the body"is made this type of fly (lure actually) you can create a great action and can adapt to the deepness or shallowness in or what you fish at.
The creator of this plastic piece (wich had them made in series and different sizes) used to experiment with the necks of large plastic bottles, wich seem to have the perfect concave or radius to form this piece of plastic wich eventuelly ended up as this series-produced plastic diving lip.
Cut out a similar piece of plastic and adapt it to a streamer pattern, you'll be amazed on the action , here we have this sort of plastic bottles called PET, i'm sure that they are to be found anywhere.
There are some great flies to be tied with...my latest creation was a deer-hair spun mouse combined with this plastic diving-lip, great for pike-fishing, the mouse really wiggles trough the water and makes a lot of noise...not for the faint-hearted, the pikes really hit them hard!
But this simple plastic piece surely has some potential, for sweet as well as salt water flyfishing...although it's not really a flie anymore..
I guess the main reason why these "plugs"work so well is that they can be retrieved at a relative slow speed and still have a great action, as well as creating disturbance or tiny soundwaves in the water, castable as well, altough a big rapala on a #12 weight will also do the trick... :hihi:
02-15-2005, 05:06 PM
Nice explanation my dutch fellow. These flies are made for a quiet agressive type of fish in the freshwaters of Europe, the species is now starting to spread in the netherlands. I made some of these flies, they are very easy to make. Al you need is a hook, a bit of foam and the plastic lip is easy made out of a soda bottle, thatīs what Limpe means with PET. The thinner soda bottles do well, easy to cut with a stanley knife or even with some scissors. To make a symetric shape just doublefold a piece of paper and draw half of the lip or foam body, then cut it out. (for both the foam pieces and the lip you need a symetric shape)
The trick of the entire fly according to Marty, the guy who invented it is that a good plug defines itself by the central point of gravity. Thatīs why bending the hook a bit gives it the very plug-like action.
I tied a few of these "flies/lures" and fished with them this summer, they attract a lot of fish by the movement they make. Bass would really love it, but for saltwater...
I think it might be something for Tarpon, Cuda and all the fish that cruise the deepblue waters. Jacks would be aggressive towards it to. But if it will be something for bonefish, I donīt know. It floats, even if you fish it with a sinking line, and in my opinion the bones are more bottom dwellers. I wouldnīt know a type of prey that bones look for that looks like this lure (in the movement).
02-18-2005, 05:27 PM
Hi It's Bert Vosters of Poseidon in the Netherlands.
The wobble flies were designed originally for large reservoir trout and asp.
But they also work excellent for bass, perch, salmon, ide, to name but a few. Most exotic report we received was from a friend who had caught tigerfish on the Zambezi river with the wobbler flies.
We had 5 sizes made, ranging from #5 (#10 nymph) to #1 (#9/0 pike lure).
The pattern pictured is just one of the endless possibilities this plastic bib can add to fly design.
The bibs are readily available through fly fishing shops in the Netherlands and they should be in the UK as well through Hopkins and Holloway, or Veniard.
Any (business) contacts in the US always welcome.
Hope this is within the rules of the forum; just answering questions...
02-19-2005, 09:40 PM
Here's a couple pictures of the "Aspius aspius". I couldn't find a common name anywhere for it, so I don't know what to call it in English either!