: A heads up to WSC members
05-06-2004, 10:21 PM
In case anyone who's name is posted. but isn't aware of it: A couple fellas on another board seem intent on posting all the WSC membership names along with cute icons demonstrating lynching. They seem to be "threatening" an ad in the Forks paper publishing the names. One guy has even stooped to denegrating a WSC member's wife. I'm not sure they're prepared for the response should both sides go "dirty." Anyways (at your discretion moderator- I see this as a public service announcement) here's the link:
05-07-2004, 10:22 AM
I see it as a PSA as well. Thanks, that was an interesting read and I am happy they spelled my name right :hehe:
Now I know why I don't waste time over there.
I am happy they spelled my name right
Well, he didn't spell my name right which is a little irritating. I didn't have to read very far to see why I wouldn't spend any time there myself.
05-07-2004, 11:02 AM
Come on you guys. I have found the time I have spent on that board to be extremely entertaining. At least until I can find someplace to fish I can do a little trolling to see how much fight I get out of a sucker or two. Although it is getting a bit like fishing for chummers. The fight is to predictable.
Oh oh, I bet now I will get an invite to fish over near Forks. Perhaps by the man himself.
After reading this thread and if you are not a member of the WSC you should be ashamed of yourself. Please join the WSC right now and show your support. Besides how often do you get to have a noose around your name. Now is the time boys show your support if you are not a member.
05-07-2004, 12:14 PM
I just read most of the crap related to the new rules and moratoriums on the other site. Iím glad there is some place where a bunch of morons can congregate and compete for ignorance. I have just never really gotten into a war of words with people over politics, online or in the real world. Kerry and others, I think itís great you can go in there and stir up the pot, but I never try to expend to much energy trying to change the minds of those that canít even decide to change their own underwear when soiled. It is remarkable to see that these people have enough brain wave activity left over to keep their lungs full of air and heart beating. I donít usually argue with idiots, because their own statements do more harm to their case than I could ever do. Two things will happen, good science and rational thought will prevail and the irreplaceable gene pool will be saved or they will kill everything and their only source of income in the future will be roadside firewood stands. People never change, just the date.
What is really extraordinary are the innuendos and threats of violence, property damage and death. What makes them think they are any better with a deer rifle on that side of the pond than us elitists over here. Per capita, we have way more murderers, disgruntled postal workers, etc. than they do in Forks. These threats and misinformed statements are just another level of ignorance that I will not participate in. Man spent millions of years crawling up out of the swamps and those stupid fools are just trying to drag us back in.
Also, I try not to get involved in shouting matches because as you can see, I have a tendency to use words that get me kicked off forums. That is why you wont see me post on most of the politically charged issues. (Note: I have edited out words like inbred, bast*rd, gangrenous sphincters, etc. Hope nobody gets offended. I just want to go Steelheading.)
05-07-2004, 12:34 PM
I am cracking up reading your post. Normally I would invoke monitors privilege and lean it down a little but in this instance, I think I will hold off a bit and see if now that it is out of your system, you decide to do it yourself. I am with you though brother.
As a site, we try to not attack other sites or engage in name calling. This is done under the banner of why stoop to their level. However this is America and if there are some slight indirect references towards the cerebrally challenged, those often slip by.
If you want to talk about it, lets take it offline.
05-07-2004, 01:28 PM
Mannnnnnnnnn, why did you post that link. LOL.
You know, I used to browse that board. I'm far from political, I actually hate it completely. I'm a fisherman foremost, and where my expertise lie. But I found that ANY sort of political discussions around "friends" leads to bad things. So why on fishing boards I try to keep out of it. I have my opinion, and I vote that way after reading the facts. But like most political debates, it normally comes down to bashing, and I hate that. Never wins over people, pushes them away. Why I just won't jump into a heated debate. Those who have their beliefs will rarely change when mudslinging occurs.
Ok, onto where I started off this post. LOL. I am a member there. But I just don't go back anymore. Had some fights on there. Then, recently, I tried to shine some light on what I knew over salmon issues. Wasn't my opinion, but stuff that I had sent to me (I'm on that mailing list the Gamefishing Department of yesteryear before the WDFW merge sent out and still sends today). One guy was complaining about regs on a river I literally grew up on and saw it's demise over the last 30 years I've fished it (mind you he's only fished it for 4 years now). What happens when I pull up info that was sent me? I was attacked by the poster, and was treated like I was in some sort of conspiracy. I just couldn't believe it. Then they guy kept quoting the WDFW website. Well, was trying to tell him the stuff I had WAS NOT listed. I finally gave up. Haven't been back since except when I had a notification of a private message, and then answered it and left. It was just funny how ME ME ME some of those guys are. It just drives me nuts. And I'm a certified gear chucker as well as a bug tosser. I'm bilingual in the fishing arts. :D I grew up and honestly can say I bonked my share of steelhead, and am proud of that. Mostly because I never wasted a steelhead we caught, and there was no talk or concern over wild steelhead back then. Don't think I remember seeing any concern publically posted in any Gamefishing or Sportfishing regs books until the very late 80's/early 90's. And when that came about, that was when my Dad and I started to diminish our wild steelhead intake. But we weren't STS readers then, except occasionally, and only books I had on steelheading (fly or gear) didn't say much about C&R steelhead, in fact most of the fly books I had showed some of the fly greats with hands up gill plates holding dead wild steelhead. Though, my Dad and I made our own conscientious decision to stop retaining them before the mandate came about in our local rivers. Don't think I've kept a wild steelhead since we read about the wild steelhead cause. Even when I caught the biggest steelhead in my life on the SolDuc in Wild Steelhead Retention area a couple years ago. But, at same time, had lots of brats running around to catch as well.
Ok, sorry for the rant. Just had to get that off my chest. LOL.
Mean Mr Mustard
05-07-2004, 01:37 PM
Gee, an opportunity to get my name in the Fork's paper. And on a list of who's who. Not that they are ALL reputable...:hehe:
I just printed-up several WSC applications for my son and I (something I've been wanting to do but always put off).
05-07-2004, 02:55 PM
Glad you are back and I am happy you have downloaded the apps for WSC.
I will be candid here. In the beginning I was not a fan of statewide mandatory release of wild steelhead and perhaps I am not totally behind it now. It did what I figured it would do; create a firestorm of protest and divide the recreational fishermen into 2 groups. Those for WSR and those against WSR.
At first I really didnít care much about this new rule or those fighting over it because I release all wild fish I catch anyway so the rule doesnít affect me much. It was after seeing the response from the other side that I decided to support this rule. I saw a completely unreasonable response. I have never seen such a selfish, one sided view of an issue before in my life as that of those that oppose WSR. Their reaction reminded me of spoiled, selfish, undisciplined children. In some cases I think there was political manipulation and personal grandstanding by some who oppose this. For what reasons I am not sure. Perhaps for self justification or to garner some attention from those that might follow them. As with any cause there will be those that blindly follow without really questioning why.
Mean Mr Mustard
05-07-2004, 07:10 PM
Missed you opening day at the secret lake. The boy and I fished really hard for a fair return.
My application has been filled out and I now wait for my son to get home to fill out his. They will make tomorrow's mail.
As to the WSR, I've been split on it myself. I haven't necessarily supported the blanket approach, especially when a few (very few) systems could support a *reasonable* harvest. But those who would kill have never been particularly nice or fair on the wild steelhead preservation front, nor hatchery reform. Bottom line: I support the preservation of wild fish far more than their right to take one.
Let them be content with the brats.
Mean Mr Mustard
05-07-2004, 09:51 PM
The applications are in the mail.
For someone who is always bitching about doing the right thing, I finally did! I encourage all fence-sitters, like my past self, to lend their support.
I feel good.:)
05-07-2004, 10:03 PM
Great job MMM:D
05-07-2004, 10:40 PM
As the Membership guy for WSC. I thank you a lot. We are getting about 1 or 2 new members a week right now which is nice to see. And if you all haven't renewed, there are a few on this board that haven't please do so ASAP.
05-07-2004, 10:44 PM
MMM, Kerry and other who have supported. "Thanks for walking the talk" The WSC appreciates new members, but relishes members who will step forward to get their "hands dirty" Believe me there is plenty of other work to do than the recent WSR rule, we just need help to do it. Don't be afraid to volunteer for a project or topic that will stir your interest. Thanks again! :)
05-07-2004, 11:59 PM
JJ- I've been slow to renew but the check is in the mail this weekend.
05-08-2004, 02:52 AM
should i be pissed off for being left OFF the list??? i'm disappointed, i mean, hell, i paid my membership up last month, doesn't that come with the rights and privileges of being "berated" by buffoons??? My god, I must say, western washington must be the last bastion of knuckle draggers in the western US. who would have thought... oregonians got over most of that stupid, childish crap a long time ago... You all can keep em!!! :whoa: :smokin: :smokin:
05-08-2004, 12:00 PM
JJ and Rich,
I am speaking next week in Pullman and Lewiston. After my popper talk, I will recruit new WSC members and send them to the website.
I have the sense that the Forks side, not the rabble on the other boards but the city group, are getting very cohesive and organized.
05-08-2004, 02:36 PM
In your assumption that the other side is getting organized I fear you are correct. They do have some significant support and we will do well to view them as a bona fide threat. There are more then a few that read this board and other boards that have a majority that support WSR. Perhaps it is time for the email chain to start.
Plunkey, you out there?
Why does everyone on the board have to be lumped into one category? So if you are from one board you think a certain way, and from a different board think a different way. Well i would personally like a list of the boards and what each board represents. This is just getting ridiculous on all of the big boards. I myself am personally on the fence on this issue, but some of the bashing from both sides is starting to make me think that everyone is crazy (kinda like politics right now, whats the lesser of two evils). If us SPORTSFISHERS divide ourselves like what is going on now, we all lose in the end, not just one side.
I am a member of quite a few boards and have found great fishing information from all of them (thats the reason i joined them, not to be put in a classification) including this one. Isn't that what these boards were meant for?
Sorry my first post sounds like i am ranting and raving but this bashing that is going on on all the boards is getting really old.
05-08-2004, 04:25 PM
all the fish related interest groups have been divided for the 50 yrs I have been pursueing steelhead.Thats one reason why there has been a steady decline in wild steelhead for most of those 50 yrs.Beau
05-08-2004, 05:16 PM
Actually, they are pretty close to correct about the boards. I am a groundlevel member on most of the NW fishing boards. If you check my profiles, you'll see me as one of the first 200 members on most of those boards (which are in the thousands now). Some are neutral, but some are VERY tipsy to one end of the spectrum over the other. You have tons of boards out there, and some are very "one way or another". No need to spell them out. We all know. There are a variety of members, but on some boards you can tell who gets panned for saying their peace. In fact, some I just don't go back to. They will not listen to you, no matter what you're talking about, or how you're saying it. But this isn't the place to be posting those boards. But I'm sure some of the posters who mentioned this will PM you which boards they are talking about.